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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 7, 2012 14:26:56 GMT -5
I understand. It might be easier to manage if you manage less.
I could be wrong. I've been wrong before
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 14:32:55 GMT -5
I understand. It might be easier to manage if you manage less.
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 7, 2012 14:35:42 GMT -5
Is it any harder to manage than if I post 200 times in a 50 page thread and ask the mods to go in and delete out all my posts plus all the times someone else has quoted me in thread if I'm not the OP?
Are you going to delete the whole thread just because I posted a lot on it? Or are you going to tell me to go and delete my posts myself?
I think the real question is whether there is any standard for having your thread deleted? Can anyone have a thread they created deleted at any time for any reason? And if so isn't that a huge disincentive to post on certain people's threads and far more incentive to create duplicated threads on topics by people you know won't just go have it deleted because they get mad?
For example: If I see a known sensitive poster starting a thread about child support, isn't my incentive now to simply start a similar thread on the same topic because I want to discuss the topic without it disappearing randomly one day?
No one wants to spend time and energy posting if they think it might just disappear. Seems like a huge incentive for everyone to just start multiple threads on the same topic to ensure for themselves that the thread won't one day vanish.
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Post by swasat on Jun 7, 2012 14:36:21 GMT -5
I understand. It might be easier to manage if you manage less. I could be wrong. I've been wrong before Moon said they follow a certain set of rules here. Why can't we just take it as is and stop questioning her? She is the board owner, ain't she?
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hoops902
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 7, 2012 14:38:43 GMT -5
"Moon said they follow a certain set of rules here. Why can't we just take it as is and stop questioning her? She is the board owner, ain't she?"
Because we never seem to actually hear what the rules are, it's like a doxie story, it just comes out in little bits. Like "everyone's intellectual property belongs to them", "but if the OP wants to delete all of your intellectual property that's ok because it's easier that way". The "certain set of rules" seems incredibly hard to figure out sometimes around some topics.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 14:40:55 GMT -5
No one wants to spend time and energy posting if they think it might just disappear. Seems like a huge incentive for everyone to just start multiple threads on the same topic to ensure for themselves that the thread won't one day vanish.
Exactly. And on the flip side, if you know your OP won't necessarily be deleted if you ask it to be, you might be a bit more careful about posting personal information. I think that's preferable to deleting threads upon request.
I will say that deleting threads doesn't happen often. But when it does, they are often the long and interesting threads that people have invested serious time into rather than the inconsequential ones.
Moon said they follow a certain set of rules here. Why can't we just take it as is and stop questioning her? She is the board owner, ain't she?
It's our board too, at least a little bit. Should we not ever voice feedback for any reason? Every leader needs to be questioned now and then.
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 7, 2012 14:42:43 GMT -5
"I will say that deleting threads doesn't happen often."
Agree, but I also think for a lot of people it was because they didn't think they had much chance of having it done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 14:49:55 GMT -5
The threads that have been deleted lately have been where posters get into stuff that has implications for the mental, physical and emotional safety of the OP's. I think they should be removed/locked if they've gotten out of hand or the OP requests because safety should be paramount.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 7, 2012 14:51:23 GMT -5
hoops, it's not that easy to just delete the posts of one person in a thread. I have no facility to go to a thread and say 'delete all posts by poster A'. I have to go through it page by page. And, as said previously, i also would have to go through and remove quotes of those posts.
and truly, threads and posts disappearing here is no different than it ever was on msn.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 14:56:18 GMT -5
I actually don't recall any thread ever being deleted on MSN, only locked (and rarely at that), including the Terri thread - but I could be wrong about that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 14:56:24 GMT -5
and truly, threads and posts disappearing here is no different than it ever was on msn. But everyone knows the mods on MSN did everything wrong
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 14:57:14 GMT -5
and truly, threads and posts disappearing here is no different than it ever was on msn. But everyone knows the mods on MSN did everything wrong I don't know that.
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Post by Opti on Jun 7, 2012 15:00:03 GMT -5
I actually don't recall any thread ever being deleted on MSN, only locked (and rarely at that), including the Terri thread - but I could be wrong about that. Agreed about the deletions but there were massive locking sprees on EE (MSN) if I remember correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 15:01:37 GMT -5
ON MSN we had the ability to delete all the posts of specific posters. It happened to a couple of posters. The fall out wasn't pretty None of the mods ever confessed. Thread deletions didn't happen much. One of the picnic threads got deleted before I became a mod. They said it was an accident but I always had my suspicions
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Post by stl76 on Jun 7, 2012 15:05:00 GMT -5
Wow! I am sorry that I caused so much drama by asking that my thread be deleted. I am sorry I caused all of you to waste your time. I certainly considered going back and deleting all of my posts but too many people had quoted me so I had no choice but to ask for it to be removed. I didn't just ask for it to be locked because what would be point of that? All of my information was on there, i wasn't trying to stop people from talking, I was just trying to remove my personal information and I am greatful to the mods for removing it. Yes, I chose to put those out there but like somebody (I think Dark Honor) said in one of his posts, people start asking questions because they have to have the whole picture and all of a sudden it gets out of hand. I mean look at the people who come asking for specific help like I have this much money extra every month, what should I do? What do you do? First thing is, this is not enough information, list everything down to the color of your underwear for us.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 7, 2012 15:05:14 GMT -5
ON MSN we had the ability to delete all the posts of specific posters. It happened to a couple of posters. The fall out wasn't pretty None of the mods ever confessed. Thread deletions didn't happen much. One of the picnic threads got deleted before I became a mod. They said it was an accident but I always had my suspicions I knew it!!! Meh, worked out well for me, got rid of all the incriminating evidence
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 15:12:21 GMT -5
Agreed about the deletions but there were massive locking sprees on EE (MSN) if I remember correctly.
Personally, I much prefer lockings over deletions if we have a choice. If a thread is locked, you can at least go back and read it if you want.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 15:14:24 GMT -5
Wow! I am sorry that I caused so much drama by asking that my thread be deleted. I am sorry I caused all of you to waste your time.
bunnysmom, honestly, I truly did not start this thread with you in mind, which is why I didn't mention you in the OP. Yes, your thread being deleted was the catalyst for my suggestion but I DO think that it's important to delete threads when there's a safety issue going on.
My comments all pertain to locking/deleting threads in general, which I feel is a topic that merits discussion. I'm really not talking about your situation - I think threads where there's an actual safety risk driving the deletion are very rare.
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Post by midjd on Jun 7, 2012 15:16:52 GMT -5
What FB said. Bunnysmom, no one is upset with you, and I think you were correct in asking that your thread be deleted. It was just the catalyst for discussion of this deleting issue, that's all.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 7, 2012 15:26:01 GMT -5
I have a thought: lets keep doing what we were doing before this became a problem, and we'll all be fine.
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Post by KaraBoo on Jun 7, 2012 15:26:24 GMT -5
Bunnysmom - I agree with FB and Mid as well (and others that I missed).
I was not upset that the thread disappeared - I totally understand the reason why. I was more upset with myself for going through the time I did on my story and not thinking about saving the work. PLEASE - do not think we are upset with you in anyway - that is not the case.
I will add my opinion as well that I like the idea of when it is necessary to delete a thread to add a locked post in it's place that has a very short description added to it. Without putting too much thought into this - I also think adding a disclaimer to the effect of - if additional threads are started discussing the private details of the deleted thread, those will also be deleted, might be necessary to help with privacy issues. (I might change my mind once I think about it deeper....)
I think the subject of dealing with an abusive situation should be discussed - maybe not by the poster themselves with details, but by the community as a whole. We, as a community, can do this without exposing that person to danger I would hope.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 7, 2012 15:27:11 GMT -5
...:::"...list everything down to the color of your underwear for us.":::...
Pictures are better.
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Post by swasat on Jun 7, 2012 15:30:48 GMT -5
stl deleted her account. What a day it has been here
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 15:35:12 GMT -5
What a day it has been here I wasn't really trying to stir the pot, I just like to know what's going on - even when sometimes it isn't my right to know. Also, in every community I've ever been part of - and I do consider YM a community of which I'm proud to be part - the floor has been open to discussion about issues that affect everybody. We've had posters writing about serious situations lately, and I feel like it's worth at least discussing how to deal with the implications of those serious situations on the board at large.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 7, 2012 15:44:51 GMT -5
WWBG!
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 7, 2012 16:00:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 16:16:37 GMT -5
ON MSN we had the ability to delete all the posts of specific posters. It happened to a couple of posters. The fall out wasn't pretty None of the mods ever confessed. Thread deletions didn't happen much. One of the picnic threads got deleted before I became a mod. They said it was an accident but I always had my suspicions I knew it!!! Meh, worked out well for me, got rid of all the incriminating evidence LOL I crashed the boards one time deleting the history for a poster that asked. They had about 10,000 posts and the system didn't like zapping them There was also another level of mods there that did not interact with the community. They were at some call centre somewhere and they got the report abuse messages. They were pretty trigger happy for deleting stuff.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 7, 2012 16:20:12 GMT -5
I always suspected I was a victim of a hit and run deleting I can imagine your face after the boards crashed because of you. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 16:26:07 GMT -5
I always suspected I was a victim of a hit and run deleting I can imagine your face after the boards crashed because of you. LOL Oh ya! At the time those boards logged like 5000 posts a day! And no one could get on for 10 or 12 hours! And did you read about it when everyone got back on! I might not have explained exactly what happened at the time...
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 7, 2012 16:28:48 GMT -5
I always suspected I was a victim of a hit and run deleting I can imagine your face after the boards crashed because of you. LOL Oh ya! At the time those boards logged like 5000 posts a day! And no one could get on for 10 or 12 hours! And did you read about it when everyone got back on! I might not have explained exactly what happened at the time... I wouldn't have either!
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