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Post by midjd on Jun 5, 2012 8:00:17 GMT -5
Very interesting...
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 5, 2012 11:20:52 GMT -5
Well Paul....if you're 6'2.5"....then I'm 5'10".... I'm a six foot five supermodel, and have four PhDs.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2012 13:18:04 GMT -5
Don Perignon.....Paul's 5'7" or 5'8". I've seen him IRL many years ago... I think I know who you think I am- different Paul. You're thinking of Paulie. I'm not a gay Democrat, either. Just so we're clear.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2012 13:19:05 GMT -5
where is this thread going for goodness sake?? Mid - pass over some popcorn, lol! Same place all YM threads eventually go. The toilet.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 5, 2012 13:21:42 GMT -5
...:::"And that's if he plans on burning the candle at both ends until he's 70 living the YM fabulous lifestyle clipping coupons and rinsing baggies.":::...
Your understanding of the YM lifestyle is second only to your knowledge of medicine. You've had your share of failures too, and things turned out alright. You didn't listen to the people who told you that you were wrong, so why do you think that your brother is going to listen to you?
As I age, I become more and more convinced that most people cannot be helped, nor do they want it. They have to come around on their own. Perhaps the whole difference between success and failure is that some people recognize the need to act far sooner than others.
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Post by shanendoah on Jun 5, 2012 13:31:03 GMT -5
Or perhaps it is realizing that there are multiple definitions and dmiensions of success and failure, and that people who don't meet your definitions aren't necessarily failures. They are just succeeding in a way that is dfferent from you.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 5, 2012 13:38:49 GMT -5
That's the conclusion I've come to. And many will still make excuses why it's not their fault and do the same things over and over... whining all the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 14:55:56 GMT -5
Just so we're clear, I'm not mistaken... .....do you sit or stand at a Round Table?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2012 20:29:34 GMT -5
...:::"And that's if he plans on burning the candle at both ends until he's 70 living the YM fabulous lifestyle clipping coupons and rinsing baggies.":::... Your understanding of the YM lifestyle is second only to your knowledge of medicine. You've had your share of failures too, and things turned out alright. You didn't listen to the people who told you that you were wrong, so why do you think that your brother is going to listen to you? As I age, I become more and more convinced that most people cannot be helped, nor do they want it. They have to come around on their own. Perhaps the whole difference between success and failure is that some people recognize the need to act far sooner than others. I agree with you on this subject way more than I disagree. I just don't sit quietly by and let people piss and moan without eventually throwing in my two cents. I expect to be ignored. You're right about the fact that people are just going to have to come around on their own. However, my experience has been that when they do- they appreciate having some people around them that told them like it was when they didn't want to hear it. People remember things like that.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2012 20:30:13 GMT -5
Just so we're clear, I'm not mistaken... .....do you sit or stand at a Round Table? Yes, I am THAT Paul. I'm just not that Paulie. So, yes. You ARE mistaken.
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2012 22:10:52 GMT -5
Maybe he skipped those sessions because they sounded like a scam to him. I know that if someone I knew who had just gotten a degree came to me to ask about a non-profit that helped new grads get their first "real" job in their field, I'd be totally supportive of them going. If they then told me that a session with this "non-profit" cost $50, I'd start thinking scam. Of course, I also live in a state that has very specific rules for calling yourself a non-profit. In WA, non-profit and not-for-profit buisinesses are different classes. (All medical insurers are legally required to be not-for-profit buisinesses.) It's not only not a "scam", it's very reputable, and very exclusive. You can't have a degree in underwater basket weaving or feminist lit. Bro happens to have a good degree, and meets some of the other qualifications. He has since informed me that he declined to go because he has recently been smoking with some friends and feared failing a drug screening. So, my gut assessment of the situation is correct. Some of you think I sit in judgment of people, but the truth is that there are two instances in which I offer my opinion, and they are: 1. When asked, and 2. In the presence of a whiner or complainer That leaves two relatively easy ways to never even know what my opinion(s) is/are; and even if offered, you can always ignore me. In the case of my brother, it's really out of love and concern. The guy is in his 26th year- about a third of his likely lifespan, and four years- roughly 10% of his working life is burned. In the can. Gone. And that's if he plans on burning the candle at both ends until he's 70 living the YM fabulous lifestyle clipping coupons and rinsing baggies. Most people are in the shit precisely because they can't work the simple math like this on the fly, and they fool themselves into thinking they have more time than they actually do, and their decisions are less important than they really are-- and they don't have the privilege of knowing anyone who'll point out the urgency of all this. I provide that service. Free of charge. Its great to offer advice when asked. I know if I'm whining I usually need to be heard first even if you disagree before I'm open to someone trying to fix me their way. I'm glad I don't have you pointing out that urgency in my life because it would just give me another stress instead of encouragement. The posted video displays the lyrics which overall I really like. Pointing out what someone does wrong is not necessarily a path of love IMO.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 5, 2012 22:17:00 GMT -5
As a Christian, I see where you're coming from- I really do. I am simply not at that place in my relationship with my brother. It's unfortunate, but he's simply pushed a lot of us a bit too far, and he's had plenty of time to be heard.
I mean it in all humility when I say it's time for him to listen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 22:18:18 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Let's not be making accusations for which we have absolutely no proof. There's no need to insult another poster in this manner.
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Post by swamp on Jun 6, 2012 7:40:45 GMT -5
As a Christian, I see where you're coming from- I really do. I am simply not at that place in my relationship with my brother. It's unfortunate, but he's simply pushed a lot of us a bit too far, and he's had plenty of time to be heard. I mean it in all humility when I say it's time for him to listen. Your brother is working, though. Maybe he likes what he does? My brother was 30 before he got a "real job." He's doing just fine now.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jun 6, 2012 10:01:28 GMT -5
While there is nothing wrong with doing what you love and accepting the consequences, that isn't what this guy is doing. He is living above his means on his parent's dime and we all know that his parents won't be there to prop him up forever.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2012 10:32:24 GMT -5
As a Christian, I see where you're coming from- I really do. I am simply not at that place in my relationship with my brother. It's unfortunate, but he's simply pushed a lot of us a bit too far, and he's had plenty of time to be heard. I mean it in all humility when I say it's time for him to listen. Your brother is working, though. Maybe he likes what he does? My brother was 30 before he got a "real job." He's doing just fine now. Well, if he likes it- he can't admit it. That's what got us started was him whining about how new grads can't get hired-- well, yeah, if you're smoking pot, it can be tough to get hired anywhere. If you sleep until 3:00 p.m. because you were out until 7:00; makes it tough to pound the pavement for a job.
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Post by swamp on Jun 6, 2012 10:34:01 GMT -5
While there is nothing wrong with doing what you love and accepting the consequences, that isn't what this guy is doing. He is living above his means on his parent's dime and we all know that his parents won't be there to prop him up forever. That's between the parents and the kid.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2012 10:34:28 GMT -5
I didn't come out of the blue and attack him and tell him he needs to do something different. HE led off with all this business about "the economy" and how "it's impossible" for a new graduate to find a job. Well, it's not impossible. Difficult, frustrating, time consuming, energy draining-- hey, most of us have been there. But not impossible.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2012 10:56:59 GMT -5
Yes, and THAT paul is 5'7"....NOT....6'2" and A HALF. Give me a break. Who ADDS 6" to their HEIGHT?? Please seek Deep Psychological Therapy to address your self esteem issues. Your CHRONIC LYING issues... If not for yourself, please, please do it for your family. They deserve it. On general principle, I don't make a habit of taking the bait, but f*** it, if you're that desperate to see a picture of me, and you lack the courage to simply ask-- fine. I'll post it. I also don't generally make a habit of "proving" anything- especially since you're the one making an assertion, and thus should rightfully be the one that has to back-- so I'm really accommodating you today, and I hope you appreciate it. Here's a 2008 photo of me with Frank McKinney at the unveiling of Aqua Liana. If you know anything, you know I was there. Ryan Steele couldn't stop crying about it for almost two years because I used money from the Round Table to make the trip. I know you can't see my shoes, but I swear I'm not wearing platform shoes, lol! Though, I suppose I may have shrunk that half inch over the years. I don't know- I don't share your concern for knowing my exact height. McKinney by PalmBeachPaul, on Flickr And as a bonus- here's a tour of the entire estate:
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 6, 2012 11:57:24 GMT -5
...:::"However, my experience has been that when they do- they appreciate having some people around them that told them like it was when they didn't want to hear it. People remember things like that.":::...
Indeed some will come back and tell you that you were the only one who was "real" with them, and they wish they had listened but they wanted to believe they were the exceptions. Others may just avoid you because they know darn well you were right, and they don't want to have to admit it. But few things motivated people to do the opposite more than unwanted help.
...:::"My brother was 30 before he got a "real job." He's doing just fine now.":::...
IIRC, Paul was at the EARLIEST in his mid-30s before he actually began his real estate business... maybe a bit later. I know some of the other stories that helped form a basis happened earlier on, but its not like he registered his corporation on his 18th birthday.
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Post by swamp on Jun 6, 2012 12:33:18 GMT -5
Yes, and THAT paul is 5'7"....NOT....6'2" and A HALF. Give me a break. Who ADDS 6" to their HEIGHT?? Please seek Deep Psychological Therapy to address your self esteem issues. Your CHRONIC LYING issues... If not for yourself, please, please do it for your family. They deserve it. On general principle, I don't make a habit of taking the bait, but f*** it, if you're that desperate to see a picture of me, and you lack the courage to simply ask-- fine. I'll post it. I also don't generally make a habit of "proving" anything- especially since you're the one making an assertion, and thus should rightfully be the one that has to back-- so I'm really accommodating you today, and I hope you appreciate it. Here's a 2008 photo of me with Frank McKinney at the unveiling of Aqua Liana. If you know anything, you know I was there. Ryan Steele couldn't stop crying about it for almost two years because I used money from the Round Table to make the trip. I know you can't see my shoes, but I swear I'm not wearing platform shoes, lol! Though, I suppose I may have shrunk that half inch over the years. I don't know- I don't share your concern for knowing my exact height. McKinney by PalmBeachPaul, on Flickr And as a bonus- here's a tour of the entire estate: So Frank McKinney is 5'5"?
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Post by Opti on Jun 6, 2012 12:39:14 GMT -5
Your brother is working, though. Maybe he likes what he does? My brother was 30 before he got a "real job." He's doing just fine now. Well, if he likes it- he can't admit it. That's what got us started was him whining about how new grads can't get hired-- well, yeah, if you're smoking pot, it can be tough to get hired anywhere. If you sleep until 3:00 p.m. because you were out until 7:00; makes it tough to pound the pavement for a job. My youngest sib is somewhat similar in that she decided to bail on her dream and ended up working at the bakery for life thus far. She had other dreams including following my Mom's footsteps into teaching or exploiting her talents with languages but in the end she's decided to play it safe. She also lived with Mom far longer than my other sib did but I do think it had to do with Mom's needs as well. It took Mom's last live-in who is misogynistic to prompt her to leave living with Mom for good. She lived in an apartment then came back when she started working towards becoming a teacher. To this day I still don't know if she ever officially got a bachelor's degree or not. Perhaps one day when I need an adrenaline rush I'll ask. Its not worth telling her or your brother something they are not ready to hear. She used to whine to me about the bakery and finally I said if you don't dislike enough to leave I'm no longer going to listen to your complaints. She probably still whines. Just not to me. Also as the oldest there's often the pressure to take shit from your sibs and be the better person. I learned that from my parents so perhaps your relatives are cutting him a break simply because he is the younger. Who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 12:50:43 GMT -5
On general principle, I don't make a habit of taking the bait, but f*** it, if you're that desperate to see a picture of me, and you lack the courage to simply ask-- fine. I'll post it. I also don't generally make a habit of "proving" anything- especially since you're the one making an assertion, and thus should rightfully be the one that has to back-- so I'm really accommodating you today, and I hope you appreciate it. Here's a 2008 photo of me with Frank McKinney at the unveiling of Aqua Liana. If you know anything, you know I was there. Ryan Steele couldn't stop crying about it for almost two years because I used money from the Round Table to make the trip. I know you can't see my shoes, but I swear I'm not wearing platform shoes, lol! Though, I suppose I may have shrunk that half inch over the years. I don't know- I don't share your concern for knowing my exact height. McKinney by PalmBeachPaul, on Flickr And as a bonus- here's a tour of the entire estate: So Frank McKinney is 5'5"? <<snort>> Also, the way I imagine Paul when I read his posts, he needs to be like 50 years older and hunched over with a walker or cane.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2012 14:01:56 GMT -5
...:::"However, my experience has been that when they do- they appreciate having some people around them that told them like it was when they didn't want to hear it. People remember things like that.":::... Indeed some will come back and tell you that you were the only one who was "real" with them, and they wish they had listened but they wanted to believe they were the exceptions. Others may just avoid you because they know darn well you were right, and they don't want to have to admit it. But few things motivated people to do the opposite more than unwanted help. ...:::"My brother was 30 before he got a "real job." He's doing just fine now.":::... IIRC, Paul was at the EARLIEST in his mid-30s before he actually began his real estate business... maybe a bit later. I know some of the other stories that helped form a basis happened earlier on, but its not like he registered his corporation on his 18th birthday. 33. And they say experience is the best teacher, but IMHO, someone else's experience is the real best teacher. I'm just trying to help. I've said a half dozen times I have no regrets, but if I had it to do over again, I would never have joined the Navy, I might not have gone to college at all, I would have started doing what I was doing a LOT sooner.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2012 14:02:55 GMT -5
So Frank McKinney is 5'5"? <<snort>> Also, the way I imagine Paul when I read his posts, he needs to be like 50 years older and hunched over with a walker or cane. I'm a Jewish senior citizen trapped in a middle aged white man's body.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 6, 2012 14:07:37 GMT -5
While there is nothing wrong with doing what you love and accepting the consequences, that isn't what this guy is doing. He is living above his means on his parent's dime and we all know that his parents won't be there to prop him up forever. That's between the parents and the kid. I agree. And truly, what my brother does, or doesn't do is his business, too. But when he opened his mouth to complain, IMHO, he made it my business. If you want me to listen, don't be surprised if I reply. And truly, it doesn't bother me that much either way. What prompted me to start this thread was really the difference in expectations of me, and the expectations of my youngest (of my three siblings) brother. Even my sister, who was admittedly a train wreck before she had a conversion to Christianity was hounded incessantly by my parents to get her sh** straight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 14:12:39 GMT -5
<<snort>> Also, the way I imagine Paul when I read his posts, he needs to be like 50 years older and hunched over with a walker or cane. I'm a Jewish senior citizen trapped in a middle aged white man's body. if you start complaining about the humidity, that will be the icing on the cake.
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Post by swamp on Jun 7, 2012 11:14:07 GMT -5
I'm a Jewish senior citizen trapped in a middle aged white man's body. if you start complaining about the humidity, that will be the icing on the cake. I'm waiting for him to complain about his allergies. And the food.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 12:10:45 GMT -5
if you start complaining about the humidity, that will be the icing on the cake. I'm waiting for him to complain about his allergies. And the food. don't make me bust out my Kyle impression...
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 7, 2012 13:11:00 GMT -5
...:::"the point is that it really is not a great time to be looking for a job. So that's true.":::...
There is nothing wrong with conceding this point as well. Sure, some people succeed quickly, but it SUCKS out there. I have a friend who started looking for a job the semester prior to graduation, and he really was the guy who made "finding a job, his job" after graduation. A year and a half later he had to move back in with his parents, because the best he got was being a host at a restaurant. Even now, I think whatever he is doing isn't something that one makes a career out of.
He has a dual major (International Business and Japanese) and has a very polite demeanor.
On the other end of the spectrum, some of my fathers friends, who have 30+ years of valuable experience are having similar troubles. Granted these folks are not just looking for "any" job, but still...
Now of course... even in times of extreme hardship, there are things people could do to give themselves an advantage.
...:::"What prompted me to start this thread was really the difference in expectations of me, and the expectations of my youngest (of my three siblings) brother.":::...
That would certainly be frustrating. My sister got away with a few things that I didn't, but other than that, my parents were superb about treating us both equally. However if I had to be out the door at 18 while she was given free room and board and grad school tuition, I'd be a little miffed.
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