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Post by Opti on Jun 4, 2012 14:51:04 GMT -5
Dark, Hardly any details. I guess that list was too short? I realize it would be helpful to know that most of the non tech jobs were less than a year in duration and that my techie path jobs have been 2-5 years each depending on company issues such as layoffs, sell-offs, mergers. I am great in interviews. I am pretty likeable and usually do well on teams. Sucking up to supervisors and massaging egos - not so good at. I give compliments regularly but don't want to go into the lie(whitish?) category of telling people what they want to hear when its not true and/or I'm not feeling it. So if you are a competent supervisor who doesn't need to be sucked up to, does not want to date me when I'm not interested - I generally do OK.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 4, 2012 15:22:06 GMT -5
I realize it would be helpful to know that most of the non tech jobs were less than a year in duration and that my techie path jobs have been 2-5 years each depending on company issues such as layoffs, sell-offs, mergers. I'm honestly more interested in the order than the durations. Hiring managers get nervous when they see what they view as steps backward in a career. The ideal candidate is always moving up. For example, going from Desk Top Support to Unix Admin to Bakery Clerk (or whatever that one was) is a weird looking move, and raises red flags. Going from Bakery Clerk (while in college) to Desk Top Support to Unix Admin to another Unix Admin job doesn't look weird at all.
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Post by The J on Jun 4, 2012 15:22:55 GMT -5
Hardly any details. I guess that list was too short? I realize it would be helpful to know that most of the non tech jobs were less than a year in duration and that my techie path jobs have been 2-5 years each depending on company issues such as layoffs, sell-offs, mergers. Heavy on some details (i.e., 20 years ago I was a register jockey), light on the relevant ones (i.e., I was a UNIX admin for the last 10 years across two employers). If you don't provide the information that would allow us to give the appropriate weight to the information, then it ends up getting weighed equally which skews things.
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2012 17:06:19 GMT -5
I realize it would be helpful to know that most of the non tech jobs were less than a year in duration and that my techie path jobs have been 2-5 years each depending on company issues such as layoffs, sell-offs, mergers. I'm honestly more interested in the order than the durations. Hiring managers get nervous when they see what they view as steps backward in a career. The ideal candidate is always moving up. For example, going from Desk Top Support to Unix Admin to Bakery Clerk (or whatever that one was) is a weird looking move, and raises red flags. Going from Bakery Clerk (while in college) to Desk Top Support to Unix Admin to another Unix Admin job doesn't look weird at all. Short tech version 5 years with AT&T post college evolved from telecom programming to UNIX OS programming to testing Xwindows. 4 UNIX admin jobs. Divorce/marriage/health issues in there. Drought of UNIX jobs, plus severe pay crash. Made wrong decision in hindsight to not go for 30 to 40% pay cuts. Survived on crap jobs. Used layoff education money to investigate real estate market just as the bubble start popping unpredicatably. Gave up. Got Telecom expense mgmt job based on AT&T experience. Was there three years. Promoted. Laid off due to crash in credit market. Turns out almost of these firms were venture capital funded so get hired with my new experience didn't want to happen. More shit jobs trying to figure out what next.
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2012 17:09:33 GMT -5
In totality things really are weird now. I started this thread not to deal with my work history and the need to find the next job. I started it because of financial fallout from the death of my last good UNIX job which started my temporary run up of debt to my layoff from a lesser tech job roughly 6 years later which basically shattered all hopes of avoiding bankruptcy.
I have been delaying filing bankruptcy because I wanted to be in a job that seemed like it wouldn't disappear out from under me because mgmt couldn't manage their money or wanted to make more by disappearing my job and my area.
I was in a crappy mood because I had to deal with my bank account being levied. That was fixed in court today.
I also went to my first informational meeting with a BK lawyer to see what he could do for me and the costs. $1600? 6 months if expedited since its relatively straight forward?
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2012 17:21:45 GMT -5
Hardly any details. I guess that list was too short? I realize it would be helpful to know that most of the non tech jobs were less than a year in duration and that my techie path jobs have been 2-5 years each depending on company issues such as layoffs, sell-offs, mergers. Heavy on some details (i.e., 20 years ago I was a register jockey), light on the relevant ones (i.e., I was a UNIX admin for the last 10 years across two employers). If you don't provide the information that would allow us to give the appropriate weight to the information, then it ends up getting weighed equally which skews things. Thanks J. I don't think like normal people, plus the backstory is actually important. As Dark guessed the progression has been skewed by health reasons, marriage/divorce, and industry changes. The laundry list was more than anything proof I'm not a slacker and I do try lots of things. I've worked most of my life from age 16 to 52. (Some of that time I was unemployed looking for a job or trying to create a business(two times, two different downturns)).
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Post by Opti on Jun 5, 2012 17:30:32 GMT -5
I feel like FB. Yes I loathe looking for jobs. I am a procrastinator when its something painful doubly so if it doesn't have great odds of working out quickly. PBP would hate me like he hates his brother because I don't move through life like most people are taught to. Like Dark says its all about progression. Assumptions and judging is such a pastime in this country that one has to proactively explain yes I took this pay cut and downgrade because there wasn't other options at the time. So yes I need to sell a very colorful work history and I've been looking for a stable place to land. My exits from UNIX administration have been because of downturns when UNIX jobs were not plentiful. My preferred area I didn't know would always be a target. Worse than the 10% unemployment figure as I specialize in big companies - I have retail, pharma, and telecom experience. No Wall Street experience hurts too. I don't want to work 24x7 or be attached to cell phones. I will do it, but it is health affecting if the calls are often enough during sleep time.
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Post by rovo on Jun 5, 2012 18:55:06 GMT -5
Optimist, I'm sending a PM to you. Please check your in box.
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Post by Opti on Jun 7, 2012 11:36:01 GMT -5
Thanks to Rovo and others who have PMed me. Not sure if I killed my own thread. More later, I'm going to try a three sentence rule today.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2012 12:48:40 GMT -5
I'm going to try a three sentence rule today. You should try only posting in Haiku instead. That would be cool.
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Post by Opti on Jun 7, 2012 18:29:28 GMT -5
Dark I think she is just very frustrated today. She is normally real nice and I have never seen her respond testily before. I think, not to speak for her, that she was expressing frustration about her schedule forcing her to respond too quickly to organize her thoughts properly, not aimed at the people here. It is my understanding that she is an electricle engineer with a masters in EE who has always worked the programming side of things. Thanks Beach. I am normally nice. Legal issues among other things are making me more irritable.
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Post by Opti on Jun 7, 2012 18:31:17 GMT -5
I'm going to try a three sentence rule today. You should try only posting in Haiku instead. That would be cool. Roses are red, Violets are blue, This days sucks and I don't do Haiku. ;D <Optimist takes bow and wanders off for exercise and dinner.>
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Post by servant_of_dog on Jun 7, 2012 21:48:34 GMT -5
Our only choice is how we respond to the world. Take in, give back, breathe. (Sending positive energy your way Optimist)
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