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Post by Opti on Jun 2, 2012 17:10:17 GMT -5
Optimist: Have you thought of offering music lessons? Take advantage of your HCOL state: there are likely to be lots of parents who will pay a fairly stiff hourly rate for their snowflakes to learn piano or voice (maybe cello too). Oh, and It sounds like you're in a rough place right now. I hope you can figure things out. No, but I've thought of doing Qi Gong/energy healing for money. Bagua lessons could take off eventually but all of these take awhile to gather steam. Bagua is a martial art and is so rare in this country I could do very well in places like Princeton where a friend of mine does his hybrid energy healing practice. NJ being close to NYC has lots of musicians with better qualifications than I so I have thought more of trying to sing well enough to convince some local churchs to hire me for Sunday Services now and then. My minister is a PITA but I should just work something up and let her shoot me down or not. Our church pays $75-$100 per service for individual musicans.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 2, 2012 17:27:19 GMT -5
POM, I missed your earlier posts before you edited them, but I do think you should get whatever assistance you are qualified for. That being said, if you have been looking for work long enough for your unemployment to run out, then I do think it would be a good idea to go to a different area to look for work. Have you tried signing up with any temp services? My BIL's girlfriend has gotten about 7 jobs in the last year through a temp agency. This last one ended up being a keeper. Hi Kari! Did you mean Optimist? Or am I misunderstanding? I'm not on assistance nor am I having a rough time. But thank you!
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Post by dannylion on Jun 2, 2012 17:47:19 GMT -5
I have a friend who is a talented pianist who is in demand as a paid accompanist for voice students. I don't know how plentiful those opportunities are, but it might be something to look into. She said the main requirement is to be able to sight read.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 18:06:27 GMT -5
I like your thread title for a book title!
Are you looking for quick money/cash opportunities? Sell your blood - you can do this every 2 weeks if eligible. You don't have to be a special blood type to sell it, just do an internet search for who buys blood in your area. Babysit and require cash payment (so you don't get stiffed with a bad check). Think about what skills/services you could trade a mechanic for fixing up your car - music/art/house cleaning, anything like that.
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Post by Opti on Jun 2, 2012 18:07:30 GMT -5
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Post by resolution on Jun 2, 2012 18:26:06 GMT -5
POM, I missed your earlier posts before you edited them, but I do think you should get whatever assistance you are qualified for. That being said, if you have been looking for work long enough for your unemployment to run out, then I do think it would be a good idea to go to a different area to look for work. Have you tried signing up with any temp services? My BIL's girlfriend has gotten about 7 jobs in the last year through a temp agency. This last one ended up being a keeper. Hi Kari! Did you mean Optimist? Or am I misunderstanding? I'm not on assistance nor am I having a rough time. But thank you! Yes I meant optimist, I'm a bit scatterbrained today.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 18:40:43 GMT -5
Optimist, it's one thing to rely on social services as a lifestyle, and another to use it temporary to help you get to a better place. So use them as you figure things out.
I think you have had some great suggestions.
I like the suggestions about the music. I'd also like to suggest hospices. My dad was in a hospice for a few days many years ago and his hospice employed a paid Celtic Harpist.
I hope things turn around for you soon. But until they do, as you work to make things happen, accept the aid that you are entitled to.
Also, even if your family can't / won't take you in, would it be beneficial to you to move closer to them, since you are thinking of leaving your HCOLA anyway?
Could you do childcare for somebody in your family?
I don't really know your story, so I'm just throwing these ideas out there. But we care about you, and we want you to be well and financially all right.
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Post by Opti on Jun 2, 2012 20:24:54 GMT -5
I have a question for everyone. Anybody know what a FT leasing agent typically earns for a mid-level apartment complex? I'm guessing at least $10/hr. but less than $20/hr. Per the website there is even a position in my old home town. I'm tempted to apply using my Dad's address for that one.
FYI, the spam job posting on Craigslist are getting worse and possibly weirder. Found one that looks almost legit but its office work from Friday 6/29 to Friday 7/6 and they want a background check and drug screen?
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Post by constanz22 on Jun 2, 2012 20:38:24 GMT -5
I have a question for everyone. Anybody know what a FT leasing agent typically earns for a mid-level apartment complex? I'm guessing at least $10/hr. but less than $20/hr. Per the website there is even a position in my old home town. I'm tempted to apply using my Dad's address for that one. FYI, the spam job posting on Craigslist are getting worse and possibly weirder. Found one that looks almost legit but its office work from Friday 6/29 to Friday 7/6 and they want a background check and drug screen? I'd probably steer away from Craigslist...too many scams and wackadoos. Have you used indeed.com? I'd never heard of it til someone on this site mentioned it. I'm not even job hunting but I love it! They have everything from career positions to child care and pet sitting. You can search by area, income level, and get daily email updates of new postings. Hey, and the leasing agent job may not be great pay, but you might get free or significantly reduced rent to live on-site!
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Post by Opti on Jun 2, 2012 21:22:47 GMT -5
You are right, Craigslist has become very scammy. I have used indeed.com, monster, dice, etc. in the past. It is probably time to go back. Wish I knew where I misplaced my login/pw sheet for those sites as well. Those websites started to be like black holes for me, apply and hear nothing but maybe those employers are willing to interview and hire me now.
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Post by Opti on Jun 2, 2012 21:35:24 GMT -5
If you've heard WCP's complaints you might understand why I don't want to go to HCOL NJ to HCOL Illinois especially if both UNIX and telecom expense mgmt jobs are essentially non-existent there. If the only jobs I'm likely to get are in the $10-$15 range I don't want to move to a situation which is overall worse but near my family.
Only my immediate family lives in Illinois. Mom is in a version of assisted living with Alzheimers or something similar. Dad needs a new well and has no potable water. My one sib is the only one with kids and one is off to college in fall so her money and energy is spoken for.
If I bail to a LCOL area my choice is likely Indiana. Possibly Indy where I have a couple really good friends from college or W.Lafayette which I know pretty well however unemployment is real high there. I hear Madison, WI. is nice, but I do enjoy the usually milder weather here in NJ.
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Post by Opti on Jun 2, 2012 21:50:15 GMT -5
Just for background info here is a partial list of the many jobs I have had(listed in random order)
Bakery Clerk File Clerk Library Page Reclassification Technican(library position) Sales Associate(commission) Member of Technical Staff(programmer, tester, C, UNIX) UNIX administrator(telcom, retail, pharma - Solaris, HPUX, AIX,etc.) Invoice processor(manual) Telecom business analyst(telecom invoice processor electronic) Deli Clerk Health food store employee Teaching assistant(college - digital logic, computer architecture) Trainer - Networking & LinkedIn for unemployed professionals Co-Chair Training Committee PSG Rehab Aide Tech Receptionist Help Desk/Support - Computer terminal rooms(college)
Education Bachelors and Master's in Electrical Engineering with a emphasis in computer software, i.e. computer graphics, robotics, compiler design, computer architecture, etc. HS College Prep with lots of math and science plus expository writing, acting, college level humanities course
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 22:14:57 GMT -5
I know there are scam jobs on Craigslist as my DD ran into some of them that I was helping her research. I don't know what their game is but there are definitely some out there whatever their nefarious objective is. That said, my company puts their jobs out on Craigslist, but the company and company email is clearly listed. You would never be using a "blind" email addy if it is a legitimate company listing. We use Indeed also & that is one of my favorites.
Interesting to see that as an EE you veered off into IT. That is an unusual progression, but as an EE I would guess that you are a pretty good problem solver and have some skills that played to IT.
If you are HCOL NJ, are you close enough to take advantage of job opportunities in NY or CT (assuming they are on the train line)?
I think it is important for you, with the variety of background you have, to identify exactly what kind of job you are going for & tailor your resume to that. Do a targeted search on those jobs only. Splattering yourself all over the place for 'any job' just doesn't really work these days. Blitzing out 20 applications a day in a generic fashion is not going to get you what you want & you won't know who is calling you for which job!! Nothing like a dazed and confused applicant that can't even remember they applied for your job (yes, I've had several present that way - not impressive).
As a former HR person (screened a billion resumes), a hiring manager, and someone who wrote scads of resumes for people when we were closing a facility . . . if you want to PM your resume I'd be happy to look at it to help you get it targeted for the jobs you want. Leave off any info that would make it personally identifiable & you don't have to list the companies you worked for, just the job titles.
Do list all of your 'since I was laid off from primary industry jobs' - most employers understand the "I needed to work" deal. But how you format it can make a difference. You don't want too many individual jobs listed or you lose their attention before getting to the meat of your resume.
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Post by Opti on Jun 2, 2012 23:00:39 GMT -5
Not as unusual as you might think. EE encompassed electrical devices as expected, low level chip programming, bio med, power, robotics and at the time EE had better computer facilities than the Computer Science building. EE ran BSD UNIX and that was back in the day when everything was readable compiled source. Many of us bought printed out source code on campus to study and understand. I remember doing pranks on fellow EEers with UNIX shell scripts much like Virgil picks on EEers now and then. I think we were slightly more fair as we didn't have super user or special priviledges we just used subterfuge and opportunity to catch when you were logged on but not by your terminal. I probably should take you up on your kind resume offer. Things are tight until Wednesday or so when hopefully I'm up to more focused thinking on things I must do but don't enjoy. I am big procrastinator which apparently has been inherited or passed on by my father.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 23:26:59 GMT -5
Shoot, I must be a bunch older than you . . . when I was in EE, we were programming Fortran on punch cards . . . I'm feeling like a dinosaur now!!!
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Post by Catseye on Jun 2, 2012 23:29:14 GMT -5
I don't have any suggestions for you, Optimist, I just want to wish you good luck. And I hope you feel better soon.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jun 3, 2012 0:04:20 GMT -5
How long ago did you get your degree and are you still up on the EE/IT stuff? If so, you should look into working for the federal govt. I know the DoD hires govt civilians for those positions. If you are willing to move, look at San Antonio, TX (They have a lot of technical support staff there), the DC/MD/NOVA area, Dayton, OH, and Bedford, MA. Your resume looks a lot like the resume of a lot of the folks I worked with while working for the govt (They were civilians, I was military). While DC and Bedford are HCOLA areas, San Antonio and Dayton are not. They would also consider you despite living in NJ because they are used to people moving in/out of the area. If you can't get on with the govt directly, be like Dark and become a contractor. Look at companies like SRC, MacAuley Brown, MITRE, Oasis, Computer Science Corp (CSC), Sierra Nevada Corp (SNC), Syracuse Research Corp (SRC), Boeing, Lockheed, Northrup Grumman, etc. These can be your path into a govt civilian job (The process is so slow and takes an act of god for people to get hired. We had people that we wanted as civilians but it would take like a year to hire them. So, we would have to use a contractor and magically, the person we wanted's skills lined up perfectly with the job that we needed done. Once we could hire them as a civilian, the contract was usually up and we would just not renew it).
As far as a leasing agent, my sister was a fulltime leasing agent in a MCOLA area. It paid about $12 a hour back in 1999. You could also get a free apartment, if you were the leasing manager (My sister was the asst manager so she didn't get a place to live). I don't think it offered health benefits though.
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Post by milee on Jun 3, 2012 8:38:34 GMT -5
Optimist,
An EE moving into IT sounds reasonable to me. DH is an EE (well, he's English, so I guess that's actually an EEE), and most of his career has included both those specialties. The EE background is especially valuable if you'd need to do product design integrating IT, so you'd have a real advantage it that. This next idea won't pay immediately, but if you find yourself having extra time while you're job hunting, think about working with some of the local business incubators or angel investors to do some development work in trade for a stake in the company they're developing. Many startups need development done and don't have enough work to justify hiring someone, so get people do to discrete project work in exchange for equity. It can pay big in the future if a couple of them hit.
Definitely take Rock It up on her offer to review the resume, but also think about preparing a couple of different resumes. While you should never, ever lie on your resume, you should always tailor it to the type of work you're applying for. That might mean highlighting certain experiences and omitting others depending on what you want the hiring company to see. You do not want to have all that varied job history on the resume, as it will be a big red flag to a potential employer that you might be flaky or not stick with a new job. Potential employers do like varied experience, but they don't want job hoppers or someone who is just experimenting around until they find what they like.
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Post by Tired Tess on Jun 3, 2012 10:39:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry if my reply seemed a bit glib. Of course you should ask for help. That is what these agencies are here for. Crap happens to good people. You need help, go ask for help. My unsympathetic reply was a "shot from the hip" reaction. I have a friend who works in the social work field. I can't get over the entitlement feelings people have. She is involved with a family who is third generation welfare . How is this possible?? Anyway, my apologies. I know you're looking for a better position for yourself. And I believe you deserve it. My bad.
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Post by Waffle on Jun 4, 2012 10:16:15 GMT -5
Optimist - have you ever tried using a recruiter? I'm thinking of the recruiting firms that are paid by the employers - so you're not out any money for talking to them. If you find a good one he/she might be able to help you get back on a more "professional path".
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 4, 2012 11:24:11 GMT -5
"Optimist is the kind of person you think social programs should support and keep alive or is one's current financial situation the way we should measure my worth and others?"
I don't view it as such a black and white issue. I would phrase it as "I think optimist is a person who is down on her luck and have no problem with her using some government services until she gets back on her feet. I also assume Optimest is a capable adult. Like any capable adult, if time runs out and she hasn't found a job yet then she needs to be off those programs and make whatever changes in her life to make ends meet"
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Post by Opti on Jun 4, 2012 12:06:48 GMT -5
I do want to answer people's questions but will probably wait until Wednesday or so. I have some things that must get done today and tomorrow so if I'm on PB it will be for a break and since I need to stay positive I likely won't be posting on this thread any more until Tuesday night at the earliest. I did have fun seeing my friend in the hospital. I'm still not adequately hydrated and the sinus infection isn't draining yet in spite of the Mucinex so my sleep is still on the marginal side.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 4, 2012 13:26:12 GMT -5
Bakery Clerk File Clerk Library Page Reclassification Technican(library position) Sales Associate(commission) Member of Technical Staff(programmer, tester, C, UNIX) UNIX administrator(telcom, retail, pharma - Solaris, HPUX, AIX,etc.) Invoice processor(manual) Telecom business analyst(telecom invoice processor electronic) Deli Clerk Health food store employee Teaching assistant(college - digital logic, computer architecture) Trainer - Networking & LinkedIn for unemployed professionals Co-Chair Training Committee PSG Rehab Aide Tech Receptionist Help Desk/Support - Computer terminal rooms(college) My first thought is that you seem way over educated for the level of positions you've worked in, and the jobs seem fairly random. There's no cohesive track to the positions you've worked thus far. Is there a back story there? Forced moves to follow a spouse, health issues, etc, or do you maybe lack enough self esteem to put yourself out there and apply for higher level career type positions? Keep in mind I don't know you, your life story, or anything like that. I could be way off base here. Based on the little you've shared on this thread though, I think you need to figure out what's keeping you in a string of kind of random low level jobs. I really hope the writing works out for you, but in the mean time it's time to pick a field, latch onto a company, and put your nose to the grind stone and climb the ladder. That also means focusing on finding jobs that have a ladder attached to them. Not all of them do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 13:38:54 GMT -5
Optimist, we live near each other. Are you good with programming/computer support? I can PM you some jobs at my company that you might be interested in. Just let me know.
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Post by Opti on Jun 4, 2012 14:27:13 GMT -5
Bakery Clerk File Clerk Library Page Reclassification Technican(library position) Sales Associate(commission) Member of Technical Staff(programmer, tester, C, UNIX) UNIX administrator(telcom, retail, pharma - Solaris, HPUX, AIX,etc.) Invoice processor(manual) Telecom business analyst(telecom invoice processor electronic) Deli Clerk Health food store employee Teaching assistant(college - digital logic, computer architecture) Trainer - Networking & LinkedIn for unemployed professionals Co-Chair Training Committee PSG Rehab Aide Tech Receptionist Help Desk/Support - Computer terminal rooms(college) My first thought is that you seem way over educated for the level of positions you've worked in, and the jobs seem fairly random. There's no cohesive track to the positions you've worked thus far. Is there a back story there? Forced moves to follow a spouse, health issues, etc, or do you maybe lack enough self esteem to put yourself out there and apply for higher level career type positions? Keep in mind I don't know you, your life story, or anything like that. I could be way off base here. Based on the little you've shared on this thread though, I think you need to figure out what's keeping you in a string of kind of random low level jobs. I really hope the writing works out for you, but in the mean time it's time to pick a field, latch onto a company, and put your nose to the grind stone and climb the ladder. That also means focusing on finding jobs that have a ladder attached to them. Not all of them do. Damn my quick breaks. See this why I get aggravated. People assume instead of ask because its easier and they usually assume bad instead of good. The jobs listed are from when I started working at the age of 16 until now. It isn't a comprehensive list and one entry UNIX administrator encompasses multiple employers and at least two layoffs. They are not in chronological order. There was an attempt at a cohesive streak but I got derailed by things I couldn't control and things I didn't expect like a bad marriage/divorce and personal health issues. I have experienced at least 4 layoffs and I hate looking for jobs. Its not self esteem, I get sick of justifying my existence. I went into engineering/tech because it supposedly played to my strengths of being competent and didn't require lots of sales/politics skills.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 4, 2012 14:34:58 GMT -5
It isn't a comprehensive list and one entry UNIX administrator encompasses multiple employers and at least two layoffs. They are not in chronological order. Oh, alright then. I went into engineering/tech because it supposedly played to my strengths of being competent and didn't require lots of sales/politics skills. On the job that's kind of true... sorta. I don't care how technical your actual job is, you work for a supervisor. She/he is a person not a machine. So are your other coworkers. There will always be some level of politics involved with the job. Looking for a job is straight up salesmanship and people skills. I don't give a fig how impressive your resume is, if you can't charm me at least a little in an interview I don't want you on my team. I'm going to have to work with you everyday if I offer you a position. If you can't pretend to be at least somewhat likable for one hour during an interview I don't want to stick you in a position where I'll have to interact with you daily. For certain types of people that reality sucks, but it's still reality. See this why I get aggravated. People assume instead of ask because its easier and they usually assume bad instead of good. When you ask for advice but don't share hardly any details you get what you get. If you don't want us making assumptions we need more facts to go off of.
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Post by Tired Tess on Jun 4, 2012 14:39:44 GMT -5
MJ, you live in here in New Jersey? I thought you were somewhere in the mid-west. So, hi neighbor !
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Post by 973beachbum on Jun 4, 2012 14:40:00 GMT -5
Dark I think she is just very frustrated today. She is normally real nice and I have never seen her respond testily before.
I think, not to speak for her, that she was expressing frustration about her schedule forcing her to respond too quickly to organize her thoughts properly, not aimed at the people here.
It is my understanding that she is an electricle engineer with a masters in EE who has always worked the programming side of things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 14:40:58 GMT -5
hi Tess!
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 4, 2012 14:48:11 GMT -5
Dark I think she is just very frustrated today. She is normally real nice and I have never seen her respond testily before. It's all good. We've all had those days before. Optimist, I completely understand your reluctance to share every detail of your life on this board, and I wouldn't ask you too, but if you're looking for advice we will need a bit more detail. Career issues are tricky when we don't even know what you do, how long you've been doing it, where you live (roughly not specifically), and what the market is like there for somebody with your skills. If you aren't looking for advice, what are you looking for on this thread? If it's just venting and sympathy, you have mine. And screw all the haters, you've worked your whole life and paid taxes, if you find yourself in a rough patch and need to rely on the safety net for a bit take it. That's why it's there. Situations like yours are why I support having one in the first place. You aren't a 16 year old girl looking to drop out of school and have kids you can't afford to use welfare as a career. You're a professional who's fallen on hard times.
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