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Post by midjd on May 21, 2012 14:19:39 GMT -5
I think the question of what the OP's friend should tell future employers is putting the cart before the horse a bit. If this was a deliberate breach (which it sounds like it was), the OP's friend needs to figure out why it happened and how to keep it from happening again before he worries about finding a new job or how to explain it to others.
Otherwise he may end up having to explain two HIPAA violations, which probably would be a career-ender...
Bonus - once he corrects his mistake, this will help turn the negative into a positive. "I messed up, I took responsibility, I changed myself, and it won't happen again."
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on May 21, 2012 17:37:56 GMT -5
...:::"I wouldn't even give you his initials, because it's WRONG.":::...
So... its a he? ;D
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on May 21, 2012 17:45:37 GMT -5
I also personally question just how effective taking a refresher course after a case like this REALLY is. I guess that is more for the legal POV than the human POV since it is a major case of closing the barn door AFTER the cow has left.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 21, 2012 17:52:15 GMT -5
I also personally question just how effective taking a refresher course after a case like this REALLY is. I guess that is more for the legal POV than the human POV since it is a major case of closing the barn door AFTER the cow has left. You can't take a refresher class in judgement. THAT is the problem.
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Post by doxieluvr on May 21, 2012 18:09:31 GMT -5
So, you know for a fact that this is what happened? I don't think so. I think this was a minor mistake, with little or no harm done and a guy shouldn't lose his job over it. We are getting way to bent out of shape, over too much, with things like this. It's just me, but I really could care less if half the town knew my medical conditions. No, but that is besides the point. Your personal health information is not for others to distribute. A well known person was in the hospital attached to where I am employed. Nurses went into his medical records and released his personal health information to the press. It doesn't matter who you are, you are entitled to privacy. Discussing your medical problems on an elevator violates your privacy. To answer your question, yes....I would be pissed off if my employer found out about my medical issues that were none of their business. First off, HIPAA is a huge thing in my industry. I think its absurd that people are so tight lipped about everything. Everything can be public knowledge with the right sources. We had a famous person living in this county. She could not leave Target or Toys R Us with out 10 phone calls announcing what she had in her cart.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 21, 2012 18:11:56 GMT -5
...:::"I wouldn't even give you his initials, because it's WRONG.":::... So... its a he? ;D Oh Noez! The cat's out of the bag!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 18:12:05 GMT -5
I also personally question just how effective taking a refresher course after a case like this REALLY is. I guess that is more for the legal POV than the human POV since it is a major case of closing the barn door AFTER the cow has left. You can't take a refresher class in judgement. THAT is the problem. You must live in some other world that i am not aware of. But, in my world, people actually do make mistakes in life.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 18:12:39 GMT -5
We had a famous person living in this county. She could not leave Target or Toys R Us with out 10 phone calls announcing what she had in her cart.
Hopefully she could leave the doctor"s office or a hospital without 10 phone calls announcing her business.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on May 21, 2012 18:16:24 GMT -5
We had a famous person living in this county. She could not leave Target or Toys R Us with out 10 phone calls announcing what she had in her cart. As long as she could leave the doctors office or a hospital without 10 phone calls announcing her business............... Having the world know that you just bought that cute new scarf is about 180 degrees away from having the world know that you just had a test for your mental health. And if someone in the insurance industry doesn't understand the difference or the importance of the latter, I feel bad for the people whose claims she's working on and just hope she isn't ever working on any of MY claims!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 21, 2012 19:27:48 GMT -5
First off, HIPAA is a huge thing in my industry.
I think its absurd that people are so tight lipped about everything. Everything can be public knowledge with the right sources.
We had a famous person living in this county. She could not leave Target or Toys R Us with out 10 phone calls announcing what she had in her cart.
Who gives a crap as to what she bought at Target? Her Target basket is not her medical issues, unless it is what she bought at the pharmacy counter and they are under HIPAA guidelines as well.
It really bothers me that an insurance adjuster is so cavalier about someone's personal health information.
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Post by 973beachbum on May 21, 2012 19:45:21 GMT -5
First off, HIPAA is a huge thing in my industry.
I think its absurd that people are so tight lipped about everything. Everything can be public knowledge with the right sources.
We had a famous person living in this county. She could not leave Target or Toys R Us with out 10 phone calls announcing what she had in her cart.Who gives a crap as to what she bought at Target? Her Target basket is not her medical issues, unless it is what she bought at the pharmacy counter and they are under HIPAA guidelines as well. It really bothers me that an insurance adjuster is so cavalier about someones personal health information. I thought Doxi was a property or auto ins adjuster not health. I was a health insurance claims administrator. I ended before HIPPA actually took effect but I would still have been fired right off if I breached a member's privacy. I actually remember discussion about what an Employer, who paid the bills, could know with respect to diagnoses even without names attached. The theory was that with a high dollar dx like cancer or aids the employer could probably figure it out if they wanted and "so something" about the problem. Try explaining that to someone who is responsible for paying the six or seven figure bills. Is it possible that the person in the OP didn't breach the patients privacy as in babbling about the patient to a third party just because but by talking to a colleague who also treated the patient but in a semi public place where it could be overheard? I know it is still wrong and would warrant the termination, but it is different as far as intentions in my mind.
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Post by Firebird on May 21, 2012 19:54:23 GMT -5
People are way to serious over privacy...really one signature on a medical authorization form and all medical records can be viewed. It is as if people really care about another persons medical diagnosis.WHOA!!!! Are you being serious right now? If he's learned his lesson and is too scared to violate HIPAA rules again, he shouldn't say jack about it to his new potential employer. He will not be hired. No one wants to hire a security riskIsn't this the kind of thing that comes out in a background check?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 21, 2012 19:55:01 GMT -5
I thought Doxi was a property or auto ins adjuster not health.
Umm, you do know that medical issues can come from auto and home accidents, right? You don't think that they get medical records for those?
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Post by Firebird on May 21, 2012 19:58:10 GMT -5
Jeesh! It's not like he pulled the wrong lever and crashed a plane. I'm floored that there are so many people who think HIPPA violations are not that big a deal. Perhaps you wouldn't mind the entire world knowing that you have AIDS, or that you've been hospitalized for major depression, or that you have ED, or whatever. These privacy restrictions are in place for a VERY good reason, and frankly, if he violated one he's damn lucky not to be getting sued. I'd say that getting fired is getting off easily. There are some stupid mistakes you just cannot make and expect to remain employed in your chosen profession.
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Post by Firebird on May 21, 2012 19:59:00 GMT -5
I could give two shakes what anyone knows about my medical conditions. Heck, I'm usually blabbing all over about them.
That's you. Can you appreciate that there are people who like to keep certain things private? A person's medical history is no one's business except theirs and their doctors. Period.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 21, 2012 20:00:41 GMT -5
I could give two shakes what anyone knows about my medical conditions. Heck, I'm usually blabbing all over about them. I dislike how strict we have to be on privacy many times too. It's very inconvenient when I'm trying to get stuff done on my husbands medical stuff. BUT....I totally get why some people do care. Can you not relate at all to why some people want their personal medical records kept confidential? ETA--FB beat me to it.
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Post by 973beachbum on May 21, 2012 20:02:17 GMT -5
I thought Doxi was a property or auto ins adjuster not health.Umm, you do know that medical issues can come from auto and home accidents, right? You don't think that they get medical records for those? The insurance company I worked for had them separated kind of like a Chinese wall thing. The auto ins person would only know about the auto part and the cost of the med bills. The actual bills with the medical info would not be included with what the auto people got. Those bills would be processed in the health ins dept. I had no idea what their car had or hadn't had happen to it and the car adjuster had no clue from the claims what medical issues they had.
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Post by constanz22 on May 21, 2012 20:05:16 GMT -5
I thought Doxi was a property or auto ins adjuster not health.Umm, you do know that medical issues can come from auto and home accidents, right? You don't think that they get medical records for those? She said in her recent thread, she is a worker's comp adjuster. She'd better take HIPAA seriously!
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Post by raeoflyte on May 21, 2012 20:06:47 GMT -5
No, I don't understand why people get so nutted up over this. So if your husbands employer found out he had cancer, and fired him so that he wouldn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars on their insurance--you're good with it? Or if your daughter was raped and got pregnant and decided to keep it a secret and adopt the baby out after it was born, but a doctor announced it--that would be okay? Really? There are real reasons that HIPAA is in place.
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Post by 973beachbum on May 21, 2012 20:08:45 GMT -5
I thought Doxi was a property or auto ins adjuster not health.Umm, you do know that medical issues can come from auto and home accidents, right? You don't think that they get medical records for those? She said in her recent thread, she is a worker's comp adjuster. She'd better take HIPPA seriously! Sorry, I can't keep up with my own life hald the time let alone her threads.
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Post by swamp on May 21, 2012 20:14:13 GMT -5
No, I don't understand why people get so nutted up over this. Ill give you another good example. When I was about 21, I got a Bartholins Cyst. Google it, it's not pleasant. 90% of the time they're caused by STD's. 10% of the time, it's just a random thing. I had to have a complete STD work up. I did not have an STD, but I would have been livid if the lab techs were telling everyone in town I was being tested for the clap.
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Post by Firebird on May 21, 2012 20:15:16 GMT -5
No, I don't understand why people get so nutted up over this. So if your husbands employer found out he had cancer, and fired him so that he wouldn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars on their insurance--you're good with it? Or if your daughter was raped and got pregnant and decided to keep it a secret and adopt the baby out after it was born, but a doctor announced it--that would be okay? Really? There are real reasons that HIPAA is in place. Some people are incredibly sensitive about privacy in general. And you don't have to be THAT sensitive about it in order to prefer that your boss not learn you recently had an abortion, or you're being treated for paranoid schizophrenia, or you have hemorrhoids.
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Post by Firebird on May 21, 2012 20:18:25 GMT -5
Also, knowledge is power. Let's say my coworker can just look at my medical file and find out that I'm being treated for depression. I'm up for a promotion and if my boss knew I was having mental health issues it would damage my chances for promotion. Coworker says "sleep with me or I let this slip to the boss." Fun, huh? There are countless ways for people to take advantage of personal, private information. That's why you're not allowed to ask certain questions at an interview. It kinda freaks me out that so many people feel HIPPA is no biggie
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Post by Firebird on May 21, 2012 20:22:02 GMT -5
Tons of people wouldn't be treated for serious or even life threatening ailments if they knew that other people could easily find out about them.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 21, 2012 20:24:47 GMT -5
That's because you are the one talking about your ailments. It's totally different when it's the nurse having a giggle fit in the elevator over the reason that brought you to the emergency room.
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Post by midjd on May 21, 2012 20:26:30 GMT -5
Tons of people avoid being treated for serious issues because some people (even, frighteningly, posters on this forum who work in the medical field ) think it's "no big deal" to talk about it. In the guy-with-cancer example, sure the employee who caused the breach gets fired, but does that help the guy who is now responsible for $1M+ of medical costs? Or worse, who can't afford the cost and dies instead? You're dealing with peoples' livelihoods and lives here. You'd damn well better take it seriously. And I say that as someone who has hasn't had any potentially expensive or even embarrassing medical issues, but still doesn't think the privacy of one's medical records should be seen as "no big deal."
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 20:31:49 GMT -5
I value privacy. I like knowing there are laws regarding the release of my medical information, and I'm pleased that people that handle those records are expected to take the privacy issues very seriously. I appreciate the people that DO take it seriously. I would probably be forgiving of a minor mistake that didn't cause me any harm if I received an apology. A breech that negatively affected my career, relationships or my money, and I'd become a problem for that person and their employer.
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Post by Firebird on May 21, 2012 20:37:00 GMT -5
Mid... head... out!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 21:19:17 GMT -5
I certainly didn't say it as no big deal. He lost his job. I think he understands the ramifications of his error and has been punished in the form of losing his job. Other than continuing to beat up with the "how could you be so stupid" type thing, i guess i am at a loss to see how that helps anyone.
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Post by Firebird on May 21, 2012 22:06:40 GMT -5
Shooby, speaking for myself, I wasn't talking about anything you said- I was referring to people specifically stating they didn't understand why HIPPA was a big deal, like Doxie and lone.
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