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Post by Firebird on May 14, 2012 19:54:28 GMT -5
This was a movie too? Yeah, I won't be seeing that one. Like I said, the Violetta scene disturbed me way too much. I doubt I could handle seeing that particular scene. I can read almost anything but like you, debthaven, my tolerance for visual violence is limited in certain ways.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 14, 2012 20:00:18 GMT -5
This was a movie too? Yeah, I won't be seeing that one. Like I said, the Violetta scene disturbed me way too much. I doubt I could handle seeing that particular scene. I can read almost anything but like you, debthaven, my tolerance for visual violence is limited in certain ways. Yup. I still want to see it. My little sister posted the trailer on Facebook and it looked really good, and she let me know the book was awesome. I ran right out and bought it!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 20:16:28 GMT -5
Yes, it was a movie too. I think it was released in 2011 but I'm not sure. You can look it up on IMDB (International Movie Data Base).
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 14, 2012 20:24:00 GMT -5
Yes, it was a movie too. I think it was released in 2011 but I'm not sure. You can look it up on IMDB (International Movie Data Base). Watch out for spoilers!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 20:32:16 GMT -5
Watch out for spoilers!!!!!!!
For sure! But I'm weird that way, I prefer to read the spoilers before I watch a film that I know will upset / disturb me.
I'm just a wuss LOL.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 14, 2012 20:35:48 GMT -5
Watch out for spoilers!!!!!!! For sure! But I'm weird that way, I prefer to read the spoilers before I watch a film that I know will upset / disturb me. I'm just a wuss LOL. Same here, but because I need to know everything. I can't be surprised. Any hint of surprise and I have to find out all the details. BF knows better than to utter the "s" word in my presence!
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Post by Firebird on May 14, 2012 20:36:59 GMT -5
I read spoilers too, for the same reason. If I'm going to see a scene that will disturb me, I like to know about it in advance.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 20:37:39 GMT -5
I'm exactly the same way Meghan and FB!
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Post by midjd on May 14, 2012 20:42:18 GMT -5
I'm the same way as you guys (why does that not surprise me? ). Once DH figured out that there's nothing that drives me more crazy that NOT knowing something, he had a lot of fun with many minor "surprises."
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 20:42:34 GMT -5
Off to bed with me, but FB, if you are interested in this topic, I would REALLY encourage you to read last weekend's Sunday NYT article on that kid. ABSOLUTELY terrifying / heartbreaking. By the end of the article, I could sort of see one of the parents "accidentally" leaning on M. But of course they would never do it.
I truly hope his two younger siblings make it to adulthood though, and that his parents live to tell the tale.
After I read the article (all eight pages) I felt that one of the parents wanted this story "on the record".
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 20:44:33 GMT -5
I HATE surprises too! But it seems that I'm in great company.
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Post by Phoenix84 on May 14, 2012 20:56:55 GMT -5
First, I wasn't aware there was an epidemic of young people from wealthy famlies engaging in a cycle of self destructive behavior, second of all, i've never had that problem myself as I've come from a upper middle class family that was by no means affluent. But if you want my opinion (and you do since you asked ) I guess I can see the logic behind your reasoning. But I think like anything with the right parenting and personality someone can overcome it. The wealthy have a great opportunity to do something great for the world. They do say that idle hands are the devil's playtime (or something like that). If you never have to work in your life, you have a lot of time, and if you throw in a lot of money with a lot of time it's not easy to see how life can lead towards a nosedive.
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Post by Firebird on May 14, 2012 21:58:33 GMT -5
Oh holy shit. I didn't see that one coming
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Post by Firebird on May 14, 2012 22:25:37 GMT -5
My comment to DH upon finishing the book: "I'm not so sure I want this baby anymore."
Damn, but it was good though.
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Post by Firebird on May 14, 2012 23:27:52 GMT -5
*searches for nice light book in Kindle archives*
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 23:28:35 GMT -5
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 15, 2012 6:28:31 GMT -5
Wasn't it gut-wrenching? I bawled my eyes out trying to get through the massacre. And Eva finding them? Ugh!
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Post by CarolinaKat on May 15, 2012 7:15:42 GMT -5
I'm the same way as you guys (why does that not surprise me? ). Once DH figured out that there's nothing that drives me more crazy that NOT knowing something, he had a lot of fun with many minor "surprises." DBF does this... it makes me want to throw shoes at him!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 8:28:17 GMT -5
WOW! I just finished the NYT article. I feel bad for those kids.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 15, 2012 8:28:34 GMT -5
I don't think I should tell you guys how old I was before my parents stopped reading to me before bed... They read me their favorite novels, so I guess they got some fun reading in over the years.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 10:11:13 GMT -5
My cousin's child is a sociopath/psychopath in the making. He slit out a screen next to a bird's nest, crushed all the baby birds with his hands, and then placed them back. He gutted the fish in the fish tank. He was sexually and physically abused by his jailbird daddy. My cousin can't leave him alone with his younger siblings. I don't know what you do with these kids though.
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Post by findingdeadbeats on May 15, 2012 10:38:24 GMT -5
My step-sister is someone I consider to be a psychopath. She can tell you she loves you in one breath and steal from you the next. She cares about no one but herself and has been that way since we were young children. For her, I think her mother hiring someone to kill her father sent her over the psychological edge. She was about 6 when it happened, and I never experienced her being "normal" like other people. Then again, no one in my family was ever terribly normal...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 10:50:52 GMT -5
The NYT article was really sad. I'm not sure I would want to send my kid to one of those camps though where he could potentially meet another tortured soul and serial killer partner? Scary.
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Post by thyme4change on May 15, 2012 11:01:22 GMT -5
Debthaven - the spoiler in post 28 was kinda mean of you. Just because you like spoilers, doesn't mean you should unannounced tell the ending of the book on websites like that. At least do the *****Spoiler alert***** warning thing that is standard.
I hate people that tell you the twist. It ruins movies and books for me. So, that was uncool of you.
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Post by thyme4change on May 15, 2012 11:06:16 GMT -5
I don't think "more challenging" is necessarily true. However, different lives give different challenges. I will say that some people are born with a work ethic, no matter what family they are born into. Others, not so much. In some kids, you foster their nature, and others you have to instill a work ethic. That is true no matter how much money you have. I have friends who grew up in families that didn't have much, and they got a job when they were 12 and worked a million hours a week, and now are successful business people, while their siblings float from job to job, not really making much progress. I often wonder what they would be like if they were born into a family of means. I suspect that hard working one would have started higher on the ladder - better schools, better contacts, etc. Who knows? Maybe they would be spoiled weinies. Hard to tell.
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Post by Firebird on May 15, 2012 11:06:46 GMT -5
My cousin's child is a sociopath/psychopath in the making. He slit out a screen next to a bird's nest, crushed all the baby birds with his hands, and then placed them back. He gutted the fish in the fish tank. He was sexually and physically abused by his jailbird daddy. My cousin can't leave him alone with his younger siblings. I don't know what you do with these kids though. I'm so sorry, Anne. I don't really know what to say. Thanks for the link, xmas. Reading the article now.
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Post by Firebird on May 15, 2012 11:08:50 GMT -5
Debthaven - the spoiler in post 28 was kinda mean of you. Just because you like spoilers, doesn't mean you should unannounced tell the ending of the book on websites like that. At least do the *****Spoiler alert***** warning thing that is standard.
Yes, you might want to add a spoiler warning to that. Luckily for me, I didn't read your post carefully yesterday or I would have known what was coming. As it was, I was totally shocked - I had NO inkling of what was coming, and that was kind of cool.
I personally don't mind knowing in advance so much (that's more for movies than books because of the visual aspect), but others do.
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Post by thyme4change on May 15, 2012 11:13:49 GMT -5
I didn't see it coming either. After I read the book, I read some reviews where people said "Oh, please, I saw it coming from page 15." Not me. Ignorance is bliss in this case. I don't think I would have liked the book if I knew the ending. I actually found the writing a little over the top. 6 metaphors in 1 paragraph is too flowery for me. I struggled through parts of it, because I thought it went on and on. I was only driven on, knowing there was a reward somewhere. But, that is me. I've never been any good at any of that literary stuff. I suffered through English 101, trying to find hidden meanings and messages in every story. Blech.
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Post by Firebird on May 15, 2012 11:22:13 GMT -5
But if you want my opinion (and you do since you asked ) I guess I can see the logic behind your reasoning. But I think like anything with the right parenting and personality someone can overcome it. The wealthy have a great opportunity to do something great for the world. Very true. After I read the book, I read some reviews where people said "Oh, please, I saw it coming from page 15." Not me. ****SPOILER WARNINGS FOR WNNTTAK***** Yeah, no. I actually went back and started reading again from the beginning (I do that sometimes when I didn't see a major twist coming, to look for clues) and there definitely are certain signs that Franklin wasn't alive anymore, but it wasn't overt - and she DID refer to them being "separated" and "estranged" often enough in the early pages that it was reasonable to conclude that he was still around. I DID suspect that something had happened to the little girl, only because Eva DOES NOT MENTION HER, not even once, until they start to consider conceiving her. I thought that was a little weird, and I did know there was a little girl in the picture because of what I had heard about the story so the whole time I was like "Wait, doesn't Kevin have a sister? Where the hell is she?" So when she finally appeared on the scene and Eva obviously loved her so much, I figured she might now be dead. But Franklin - nope. Totally thought he was still alive and off somewhere (although as I reread the beginning, it made little sense that he wouldn't have participated at ALL in Kevin's defense or Eva's civil trial if he'd still been around, or that they didn't exchange so much as a phone call during the course of all the letter writing - but that's only because I knew more about his character than I did during the first reading). As for the flowery writing, it got on my nerves at times too. I too prefer simpler phrasing (I get annoyed when a sentence is so long that you've completely forgotten the point of it by the time you reach the end) but certain phrases were so dead on and beautifully written that they outweighed that. For me.
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Post by Firebird on May 15, 2012 11:25:00 GMT -5
One of my favorite quotes from early in the story (no spoilers):
What possessed us? We were so happy! Why, then, did we take the stake of all we had and place it on this outrageous gamble of having a child?
There were many others. I highlighted several passages in that book, something I hardly ever do. A lot of Eva's thoughts about having Kevin echoed my own thoughts about having a baby with DH from late last year, which made the early letters particularly spooky.
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