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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 15, 2012 2:01:45 GMT -5
Let's hope this does turn out to be a case of a state employee overstepping his/her authority by a country mile, otherwise North Carolina has officially surpassed eastern Canada on the nanny-state-o-meter. - grilled cheese on rye; carrot sticks; can of V8 disqualified
- two peanut butter and banana sandwiches; two nectarines; bottle of apple juice disqualified
- hummus; mashed potato; na'an bread and with spicy chutney disqualified
- leftover steak with baked potato; broccoli with cheese disqualified
- thai-style lettuce wraps containing rice, fish, and curry disqualified
- trail mix; brie cheese; cream of mushroom soup; tuna salad sandwich disqualified
- bowl of bill's grandma's famous homemade chicken soup; kaiser bun; strawberries from the garden and a slice of birthday cake disqualified
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- cup of Cheez Whiz, cup of bacon bits, cup of green onion, cup of gravy, blended, served over 2 pounds of nacho chips; two cuplets of Mott's apple sauce and cinnamon-sugar churros with nutella A-OK!
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Feb 15, 2012 2:24:16 GMT -5
Hey, leave my Cheez Whiz out of this! ;D
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 15, 2012 2:31:06 GMT -5
It may say "monosodium benzocheezamate" in the fine print, but the main label reads loud and clear: D. A. I. R. Y.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 15, 2012 7:18:43 GMT -5
Clearly you must not be sane if you fail to realize what a slippery slope this is and why it is a problem. We do not need the government interfering with lunch time.
I would say in either case the parents would sue the hell out of the school, the district and so on. I imagine they might be successful as well considering the school thought they knew better than the parents and replaced the child's lunch with their own garbage.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 8:07:37 GMT -5
That is an industrial product of dubious quality
Since when is all breast white meat dubious quality?
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 8:25:16 GMT -5
Duck dodge distort. I asked since when is all white breast meat dubious? Not where on the internet can you find pink goo? Our school district serve all white meat chicken fingers for there nuggets.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 8:33:59 GMT -5
... 2. That govt spends so much time and resources on things that have nothing to do with education in a place that sole purpose is to educate. ... Lena Lena, in case you had a nutritionally well balanced dinner tonight I thought I would offer this information: A healthy, well-prepared brain is one of the first essentials for learning anything. Like any other complex machinery, your brain needs energy. Basically it gets it from the food you eat. . Feed it a low-energy diet, and it won't perform well. Feed is a high-energy det, and your personal computer will work smoothly, efficiently. . For energy it needs plenty of glucose. That's why fresh fruit and vegetables are so essential: they are rich in glucose. . To learn effectively – and for your mind and body to work effectively – your brain sends millions of messages around the body every second: sometimes billions. These messages travel along "axons", the major pathways that link each of your 100 billion active brain cells to each others and to all parts of your body. . Each axon is insulated by a myelin sheath, which acts as an insulator. The better the insulation, the more efficient the message is transmitted. And that transmission system is vitally affected by good diet. . Your brain also needs the right type of energy to produce chemical-flows which impact on the electrical messages being transmitted around the brain and the body. Scientists call those chemical effects "neurotransmitters" (neuro meaning mind and transmit meaning to send). And these neurotransmitters in turn depend on a balanced diet, one that includes plenty of protein. www.thelearningweb.net/diet-nutrition-education.html I agree with your article, but it is still the parents right to choose what their children eat. Who knows if the nuggets were organic and deep fried in avocado oil or not? They can teach nutrition in school, which I wish they would do. The proper nutrition though not this four food groups BS. I am sure you would be ticked off if some stranger told your children that their opinion is the right way(or at least common sense says you shouldn't).
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 8:43:24 GMT -5
On the day you can truthfully say the cafeteria serves better food than any decent cook makes at home, let me know. The position is silly. Don't lock yourself into it just because you don't like me. If you cannot cook better yourself, pick up a copy of the "Joy of Cooking." Furthermore, your school buys their nuggets from the same place everyone else does, a large poultry processor. They are made the same way. I linked two reputable sources so you could see what "chicken nuggets" are and if you don't trust them, search yourself. Actually as a Parent head of the PTA I have worked with both the School board and the Vendor staff at our local schools. We (that being parents who actually give a damn about their children and the educational system) demanded that the "normal" nuggets were removed and opened talks with a local poultry house to provide the needed meat for our children. I do not require the internet to make my case TT I simply need to go to my local school board and ask to see the food spending receipts. Amazing what happens when you are involved not just someone on the sideline.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2012 8:43:53 GMT -5
The girl’s mother — who said she wishes to remain anonymous to protect her daughter from retaliation — said she received a note from the school stating that students who did not bring a “healthy lunch” would be offered the missing portions, which could result in a fee from the cafeteria, in her case $1.25. That's some damned expensive chicken nuggets. So, the young girl's mother packed her a turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice. What nutritional value can be found in mass produced school cafeteria mystery meat nuggets that this young girl didn't already have? The only thing that would be missing from the USDA guidelines would be veggies. I don't think I've ever had chicken nuggets that contained veggies.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 8:45:20 GMT -5
If you cannot cook better yourself, pick up a copy of the "Joy of Cooking."
Sweetie I could cook circles around you without the need of a cookbook or a recipe. I have been doing it for years feeding children who are picky and doing desserts so you read your book and I will practice practical application.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 8:46:20 GMT -5
The girl’s mother — who said she wishes to remain anonymous to protect her daughter from retaliation — said she received a note from the school stating that students who did not bring a “healthy lunch” would be offered the missing portions, which could result in a fee from the cafeteria, in her case $1.25. That's some damned expensive chicken nuggets. So, the young girl's mother packed her a turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice. What nutritional value can be found in mass produced school cafeteria mystery meat nuggets that this young girl didn't already have? The only thing that would be missing from the USDA guidelines would be veggies. I don't think I've ever had chicken nuggets that contained veggies. Actually I think it says you have to either have a fruit which was packed or a vegetable.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 8:47:04 GMT -5
So you really think they make "special" chicken nuggets for your school. They replace the machines used to form and create the meat with shiny new ones for you. Give me a break. No I do not "think" I know where the breast strips come from.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 8:49:42 GMT -5
I think that's exactly what it is, a hunt for funding. Unfortunately, they pushed this lady a little too far and she got the ear of the public. I am also interested in the financial interest of the vendors. Who is supplying the food for the program? So far as I know, no decent cook in creation ever made a "chicken nugget." That is an industrial product of dubious quality. By the way, what is the liability of the school if the child is allergic to the helpfully supplied food? How about if it is considered unclean under the religious beliefs of the family? www.multiplydelicious.com/thefood/2011/09/coconut-chicken-nuggets-with-paleo-bbq-sauce/That is just one recipe, you can also use almond flour for the breading. Except for twinkies and stuff really bad like that, I can cook up any type of food from spaghetti to pizza that is actually healthy for you and tastes really good.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 8:54:04 GMT -5
The girl’s mother — who said she wishes to remain anonymous to protect her daughter from retaliation — said she received a note from the school stating that students who did not bring a “healthy lunch” would be offered the missing portions, which could result in a fee from the cafeteria, in her case $1.25. That's some damned expensive chicken nuggets. So, the young girl's mother packed her a turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice. What nutritional value can be found in mass produced school cafeteria mystery meat nuggets that this young girl didn't already have? The only thing that would be missing from the USDA guidelines would be veggies. I don't think I've ever had chicken nuggets that contained veggies. Actually I think it says you have to either have a fruit which was packed or a vegetable. Even though the potato chips have processes stuff in them, if the school considers "tubers" as vegetables then the girl actually did have the 4 food groups. Not that I think her lunch was all that nutritious, but it did follow their guidelines.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2012 8:54:56 GMT -5
The girl’s mother — who said she wishes to remain anonymous to protect her daughter from retaliation — said she received a note from the school stating that students who did not bring a “healthy lunch” would be offered the missing portions, which could result in a fee from the cafeteria, in her case $1.25. That's some damned expensive chicken nuggets. So, the young girl's mother packed her a turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice. What nutritional value can be found in mass produced school cafeteria mystery meat nuggets that this young girl didn't already have? The only thing that would be missing from the USDA guidelines would be veggies. I don't think I've ever had chicken nuggets that contained veggies. Actually I think it says you have to either have a fruit which was packed or a vegetable. No matter what it says about the fruit / veggies, I'm not seeing what nutritional value was added by the chicken nuggets.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 9:02:41 GMT -5
I'm not nuts about the ground chicken (same problem with ground meat) but it sounds like a big improvement on the commercial variety. It doesn't matter if it is grounded or not it matters where the source of the meat comes from. Free range non-antibiotic/hormone chicken is the best and the commericial 1000 chickens in a coop pumped full of hormones to make bigger chickens that poop more all over the other chickens is the worst . Same goes with ground beef, I get mine from a local farmer in Brevard, NC that has pasteurized/grass fed cows with no antibiotics or hormones applied( I personally go to the farm to make sure of this). Oh yeah, 3.50 a lb so not bad priced at all.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 9:15:53 GMT -5
Technically speaking potatoes are starches, as are corn and rice. Believe me, potatoes and corn were my vegetables growing up. I don't think I ate real vegetables much or knew the difference until I was well into middle age. potatoes have always been debatable about how much downside the starches are since they are tubers and grow naturally in some form. I use sweet potatoes for after workout carbs. Corn and rice are both classified as grains. Corn is the most sugary, starchy, empty grain there is. The said thing is that corn is used in approx. 80% of the items you would purchase from a normal grocery store. Rice is more of a neutral food, bad if your not active because of the glucose levels but brown rice does have protein and fiber. Even though rice is a grain it is the least offensive grain.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 15, 2012 9:16:33 GMT -5
I agree with you in theory. In practice, no one was educating anyone. "Educating" would be telling preschoolers all about nutrition and proper diet. Adding/substituting food from a lunch tray of a 5-6-7-8 yr old teaches them nothing. And!!! completely infringes on parents's rights on what to feed their children.
Waste of time, money, resources and very very inappropriate way to handle it.
Lena
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 9:17:00 GMT -5
Growing up, we used to just grind our own beef. It kept a lot of bad stuff out. That is always a great option. They have so many home appliances today that you can grind your meat to any consistency.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 9:18:21 GMT -5
I agree with you in theory. In practice, no one was educating anyone. "Educating" would be telling preschoolers all about nutrition and proper diet. Adding/substituting food from a lunch tray of a 5-6-7-8 yr old teaches them nothing. And!!! completely infringes on parents's rights on what to feed their children. Waste of time, money, resources and very very inappropriate way to handle it. Lena You said that much better than I did.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2012 10:06:56 GMT -5
Clearly you must not be sane ... No, I am sane.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 10:11:42 GMT -5
Several posters are lumping corn into a grain category without distinction. There is most definitely a distinction between sweet corn and field corn.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2012 10:13:09 GMT -5
I agree with you in theory. In practice, no one was educating anyone. "Educating" would be telling preschoolers all about nutrition and proper diet. Adding/substituting food from a lunch tray of a 5-6-7-8 yr old teaches them nothing. And!!! completely infringes on parents's rights on what to feed their children. Waste of time, money, resources and very very inappropriate way to handle it. Lena Lecturing students who have not had a balanced meal is a waste of time, money, resources, and very very inappropriate way to handle it. I have a legitimate interest in my fellow citizens doing well in public school. For them to do so, I support the school looking out for their nutritional needs and to supplement as necessary what is sent from home.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 10:14:12 GMT -5
Several posters are lumping corn into a grain category without distinction. There is most definitely a distinction between sweet corn and field corn. No, they are both grains. Do your research or do I have to post 20 links proving you wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 10:16:43 GMT -5
Several posters are lumping corn into a grain category without distinction. There is most definitely a distinction between sweet corn and field corn. No, they are both grains. Do your research or do I have to post 20 links proving you wrong? Sure I don't mind fighting over this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_cornsweet corn is picked when immature (milk stage) and prepared and eaten as a vegetable, rather than a grain.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 10:18:16 GMT -5
I agree with you in theory. In practice, no one was educating anyone. "Educating" would be telling preschoolers all about nutrition and proper diet. Adding/substituting food from a lunch tray of a 5-6-7-8 yr old teaches them nothing. And!!! completely infringes on parents's rights on what to feed their children. Waste of time, money, resources and very very inappropriate way to handle it. Lena Lecturing students who have not had a balanced meal is a waste of time, money, resources, and very very inappropriate way to handle it. I have a legitimate interest in my fellow citizens doing well in public school. For them to do so, I support the school looking out for their nutritional needs and to supplement as necessary what is sent from home. Your logic in thinking that teaching people the right way to those that do it the wrong way is a waste of time contradicts the purpose of teaching. That is like somebody that does the math problem the wrong way is a waste of my time to teach him to do it the right way, so I will just give him what I think is the correct answer.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2012 10:27:52 GMT -5
Lecturing students who have not had a balanced meal is a waste of time, money, resources, and very very inappropriate way to handle it. I have a legitimate interest in my fellow citizens doing well in public school. For them to do so, I support the school looking out for their nutritional needs and to supplement as necessary what is sent from home. Your logic in thinking that teaching people the right way to those that do it the wrong way is a waste of time contradicts the purpose of teaching. That is like somebody that does the math problem the wrong way is a waste of my time to teach him to do it the right way, so I will just give him what I think is the correct answer. The purpose of "teaching" is to have people "learn". Lecturing a student who does not have the necessary brain chemistry happening to assimilate the material that is being presented in the lecture is flapping your jaw for the sake of flapping your jaw. It is not "teaching".
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 10:28:39 GMT -5
No, they are both grains. Do your research or do I have to post 20 links proving you wrong? Sure I don't mind fighting over this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_cornsweet corn is picked when immature (milk stage) and prepared and eaten as a vegetable, rather than a grain. That is ridiculous, just because it is in a different stage they call it a vegetable. Then as a vegetable it would actually be worse for you with the higher sugar content, True meaning of "corn fed" when portraying to fat people. I also think calling avocado a fruit is ridiculous. Grain or not corn is still bad for you.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 15, 2012 10:28:43 GMT -5
Huh??? When I said that schools should be about education, you said that providing healthy meals (btw, I am completely staying out of the debate whether chicken nuggets can be considered "healthy") is all about education. Well I would argue that the ONLY education a 5-6-7-8 yr old gets when his home-send food is being taken away is that his parents are doing something wrong. It does not explain why the food is being taken away and it certainly does not educate on what is a healthy diet. Now, saying that "lecturing" is a waste of time and resources IN SCHOOL - well, again, I am not sure how to respond to that, since from what I remember about schools, it was pretty much all about lectures Lena
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 15, 2012 10:30:09 GMT -5
Your logic in thinking that teaching people the right way to those that do it the wrong way is a waste of time contradicts the purpose of teaching. That is like somebody that does the math problem the wrong way is a waste of my time to teach him to do it the right way, so I will just give him what I think is the correct answer. The purpose of "teaching" is to have people "learn". Lecturing a student who does not have the necessary brain chemistry happening to assimilate the material that is being presented in the lecture is flapping your jaw for the sake of flapping your jaw. It is not "teaching". So your saying only people that eat right are teachable, because I know thousands of people that are intelligent that had poor eating habits.
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