Malarky
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Post by Malarky on Jan 22, 2012 15:23:42 GMT -5
Who does that 'uppity' president think he is, huh henryclay. ' I rarely weigh in on conversations of this board, mostly because of the tone. I have no respect for President Obama. This has nothing to do with his color. It has everything to do with my belief that everything he does, says and believes is the opposite of what I do, say and believe. Do you think that makes me a racist? Or maybe I'm just an uppity woman.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 22, 2012 15:25:42 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Answering and insult with an insult isn't really very productive. Please, stay to the subject of the thread.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 22, 2012 15:29:28 GMT -5
Who does that 'uppity' president think he is, huh henryclay. ' I rarely weigh in on conversations of this board, mostly because of the tone. I have no respect for President Obama. This has nothing to do with his color. It has everything to do with my belief that everything he does, says and believes is the opposite of what I do, say and believe. Do you think that makes me a racist? Or maybe I'm just an uppity woman. Malarky, well said and
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 22, 2012 15:32:29 GMT -5
"Exactly!!! I believe there is so much secrecy regarding this President. If they want Romney to release his tax records from the last three years. then Obama should release his college records and grades."
The only thing Obama should show in your example are his tax records from the last three years. That or you posted a very poor example.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 22, 2012 15:33:45 GMT -5
Who does that 'uppity' president think he is, huh henryclay. ' I rarely weigh in on conversations of this board, mostly because of the tone. I have no respect for President Obama. This has nothing to do with his color. It has everything to do with my belief that everything he does, says and believes is the opposite of what I do, say and believe. Do you think that makes me a racist? Or maybe I'm just an uppity woman. I don't know. Does it?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 22, 2012 15:34:48 GMT -5
84 days over 3 years is 28 days per year. ------------------------- That's less vacation time than I get, and his job is just a tad more stressful.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 22, 2012 15:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by diamonds on Jan 22, 2012 15:44:35 GMT -5
>>>Frankly, the US is in the doo because it's spending trillions more per year than it's bringing in in revenue, the trade deficit is worsening, GDP is stagnating, unemployment is rising, and legislators have all but proven they cannot address deficit reduction, entitlement reform, regulation of financial markets, or the perpetually worsening housing crisis. One man shaking hands, running fundraisers, reading off of teleprompters for an extra 4 weeks a year isn't going to change that.<<< Virgil, spot on and a star when I recharge. We, the middle class are terrified at the dire spectrum of the reality as it is. Yes, we know all of this but how in the hell does one break the cycle of this continual spiraling down in all of these areas?
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Malarky
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Post by Malarky on Jan 22, 2012 15:50:21 GMT -5
' I rarely weigh in on conversations of this board, mostly because of the tone. I have no respect for President Obama. This has nothing to do with his color. It has everything to do with my belief that everything he does, says and believes is the opposite of what I do, say and believe. Do you think that makes me a racist? Or maybe I'm just an uppity woman. I don't know. Does it? Racist? No Opinionated? Yes
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Post by tyfighter3 on Jan 22, 2012 16:13:19 GMT -5
I would like to see his School Records to see if he got aid by saying he was a Foreign Student.
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Post by diamonds on Jan 22, 2012 16:20:54 GMT -5
>>>Racist? No Opinionated? Yes>>> Malarky: Oh, the Liberals live in a deluded world. They fail somehow to see the big picture as it is.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jan 22, 2012 16:32:27 GMT -5
But before leaving, make sure you pick up your consolation prize: Supreme Court > State Court 1. Go look at W.'s and Reagan's vacation records 2. Decide amongst yourselves your hypocrite in chief. 3. Find some new joke, one that doesn't reflect so badly on yourselves and your party. Whenever you have thoughts like that, get out your consolation prize and read what's on it. Optionally, you can fill it with any potable liquid from coffee to kool-aid and drink up!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 22, 2012 16:50:09 GMT -5
But before leaving, make sure you pick up your consolation prize: Supreme Court > State Court 1. Go look at W.'s and Reagan's vacation records 2. Decide amongst yourselves your hypocrite in chief. 3. Find some new joke, one that doesn't reflect so badly on yourselves and your party. Whenever you have thoughts like that, get out your consolation prize and read what's on it. Optionally, you can fill it with any potable liquid from coffee to kool-aid and drink up!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 17:30:07 GMT -5
“Defendant argues that ‘if enforced, [the subpoena] requires him to interrupt duties as president of the United States’
I actually agree that the President shouldn't have to appear.
On the other hand him being there just might save the country a couple of billion dollars. After all he can't spend THAT much in Atlanta. ;D
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Post by henryclay on Jan 22, 2012 17:36:38 GMT -5
It is well known that each of the many cases where attempts have been made to look into Obama's eligibility have ended in the trash bin. One such case just ended a few days ago. Several members of the New Hampshire Legislature petitioned the NH Attorney General requesting that he also investigate Obama's eligibility. The AG turned their request down, saying it was a federal matter and that he had no authority to look into Obama's eligibility. On the face of it the AG's response might be accepted, however. . . . . . . . . . . . . the record shows that on November 15th. 2007 the Secretary of State’s office ruled that a Mr. Sal Mohamed was disqualified, and on July 19th. 2011 a Mr. Abdul K. Hassan Esq. was denied a place on the Presidential Ballot because they were not natural born citizens. Perhaps NH is different than all the other states, but it really looks like just more plain old stonewalling. And as a "By The Way", the main stream media didn't see fit to cover the event. Here is a link to a video: Here is a link to a printed article bwcentral.org/2012/01/nh-legislators-hold-a-press-conference/
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Post by diamonds on Jan 22, 2012 20:58:37 GMT -5
henry: I listened to the tape. Quite a long one but very interesting. So what I glean from the video isis not his place of birth, but his parents were not US citizens at the time of this birth. Is that correct? The real issue here is the Constitutional Law regading this.
Well, I just read that his parents were not legally married and his father went back to Kenya. I agree with you, humok, that it is a big coverup as he wasn't properly vetted by the DNC from the very beginning.
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Post by humok on Jan 22, 2012 21:09:01 GMT -5
That is the point that many have been trying to make for three years now. The govt does not want to have it come out in public(in my opinion) that they put someone in the White House illegally if in fact his parents were not citizens and it is evident that they were not.
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Post by cereb on Jan 22, 2012 21:11:41 GMT -5
This is by far and wide the stupidest thing on on the planet. Obama was born in Hawaii. He produced a birth cert which has been verified. A natural born citizen is a person who was born on US soil. For all of you who think this actually has legs and continue to beat the drum on this issue nearly 4 years later, I question your sanity.
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Post by cereb on Jan 22, 2012 21:13:50 GMT -5
"The govt does not want to have it come out in public(in my opinion) that they put someone in the White House illegally if in fact his parents were not citizens and it is evident that they were not."
His parents didn't have to be US citizens, but clearly his mother was a US citizen. So what. What part of HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII don't you people understand?
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Post by diamonds on Jan 22, 2012 22:03:12 GMT -5
"The govt does not want to have it come out in public(in my opinion) that they put someone in the White House illegally if in fact his parents were not citizens and it is evident that they were not." His parents didn't have to be US citizens, but clearly his mother was a US citizen. So what. What part of HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII don't you people understand? YOU'RE missing the whole point here, if he was born to illegals, we don't give amnesty do we? Of course in his case, it should all be excused as he walks on water.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 22, 2012 22:05:47 GMT -5
"The govt does not want to have it come out in public(in my opinion) that they put someone in the White House illegally if in fact his parents were not citizens and it is evident that they were not." His parents didn't have to be US citizens, but clearly his mother was a US citizen. So what. What part of HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII don't you people understand? YOU'RE missing the whole point here, if he was born to illegals, we don't give amnesty do we? Of course in his case, it should all be excused as he walks on water. I've seen all the discussion about his Kenyan-born father, but please give me the link to any possible evidence that his American-born mother was also illegal. this birther argument has been tiring for quite some time now.
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Post by cereb on Jan 22, 2012 22:06:35 GMT -5
"YOU'RE missing the whole point here, if he was born to illegals, we don't give amnesty do we?" LOL! WHAT? Now his parents were "illegals"? Oh my god that's laughable! Am I being punked? Not only that, but if you kjnew anything about the Constitution, it doesn't matter one iota if both his parents were here illegally, he was born on US soil, therefore granted automatic citizenship in the good ol US of A!!! You babbel on and on about this subject without even knowing what the hell you are talking about. Fact: Obama's mother was born in Wichita Kansas. Fact: Obama's father was born in Kenya, and in the United States as a foreign student. He was not here illegally. These are well established and documented facts, available to anyone interested in actual facts. Your assertion regarding his parents being here "illegally" is absurd. This can't really be happening...Where is Ashton..
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Post by formerexpat on Jan 22, 2012 23:18:17 GMT -5
Easy solution - set up court on a golf course. Obama will be there in a second.
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Post by humok on Jan 22, 2012 23:47:59 GMT -5
•if eligibility challenges are nonjusticiable in federal courts, and are not undertaken in Congress, there are other avenues for adjudication, such as an action in state court in regard to ballot access. The state is within its rights to want proof. Seems simple so why does he not provide the proof and lets get this gone and over with.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 23, 2012 2:21:05 GMT -5
Fact: Obama's mother was born in Wichita Kansas. Fact: Obama's father was born in Kenya, and in the United States as a foreign student. He was not here illegally.
These are well established and documented facts, available to anyone interested in actual facts.
Your assertion regarding his parents being here "illegally" is absurd.
This can't really be happening...Where is Ashton.. ---------------------- Oh, it's happening. It's called a fixed delusion, and no amount of proof, reason or fact-checking can shake it.
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Post by henryclay on Jan 23, 2012 2:44:55 GMT -5
To the strict constructionists his place of birth is not important. Those people are only interested in pedigree. Was he born as a "full blooded" American, or was he born as a "half" American? They seem to interpret in order to be an American citizen, a "half American MUST be born on American soil, and Hawaii will fit well enough. If "half Americans" can qualify to become president, his having been born in Hawaii puts him on safe ground. I believe that is the position most of his supporters take.
They seem to say that bringing in his father's Kenyan citizenship, , , (and his being a subject of the King of England). is only a distraction and should not be heard. They don't even want to hear about his father's citizenship. They are fully aware that in order to qualify Obama it is necessary to keep his father's citizenship out of the discussion. If they are forced to concede that point they know their position will be in further jeopardy.
There should be no doubt about the lengths they will go, or the words and tactics they will use to marginalize, cuckold, taunt or otherwise verbally abuse any idea that a strict reading of the Constitution should be their guide to Obama's qualifications. Oh, they may not disagree with some of the words if they can place today's percepted interpretation on some of them, , , on the words that matter, that is.
Today there is a relatively recent application for the word "gay". In my youth it was not uncommon to describe someone's vacation as having been,"a Gay old time". I believe there is even a song about, "My Heart Was Young and Gay". Simply put, what do those words conjure up in the mind today? When I was young they would be used to describe a Sunday picnic, with games of tag alongside Maypole dances, tossing horseshoes, and conducting sack races on the church lawn after Sunday morning services.
Since we are using words whose meaning in the late 1700's, like the word "gay", seem to be a modern stumbling block it would serve the purpose if we attached the meaning of a different, more contemporary word. The words "natural born" require background study to determine it's legal meaning, but we know a different word; one that entered use much later than "natural born". We also know that it: "native born", confers citizenship. Thus the fact of being born in the United States is all that is needed to be a "native born citizen".
No one seems concerned that a "native born citizen" may well have greater genealogical and political ties to a different country than to the United States. And since the requirements to be citizens and the requirements to be president are not one and the same, it is simply convenient to look no further and rely on having enough people accept the new meaning and they will collectively shout down any voices who are more adept at tracing the reasons certain archaic words and phrases were inserted into particular provisions of our "Master of All Laws", the Constitution.
So what this all means is that the requirement to be a "natural born citizen", which was inserted as a specific safeguard against having foreign powers enter into and ursurp the Republic, has been effectively ruled moot, so that the Republic, because of a lack of care for the results, has become a willing host to foreign powers.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 23, 2012 8:43:15 GMT -5
Georgia conservatives ought to be embarrassed. Seriously, they can't come up with enough legitimate reasons to defeat Obama so they have to resort to gaming the system like this? What a f'ing waste of taxpayer time and money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 12:36:21 GMT -5
This is by far and wide the stupidest thing on on the planet. Obama was born in Hawaii. He produced a birth cert which has been verified. A natural born citizen is a person who was born on US soil. For all of you who think this actually has legs and continue to beat the drum on this issue nearly 4 years later, I question your sanity.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 23, 2012 12:46:03 GMT -5
Georgia conservatives ought to be embarrassed. Seriously, they can't come up with enough legitimate reasons to defeat Obama so they have to resort to gaming the system like this? What a f'ing waste of taxpayer time and money. Agreed, floridayankee. This is beyond ludicrous, IMO.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 23, 2012 13:18:50 GMT -5
Question...Does that 84 days (and 120 days, and whatever for whatever president) include Saturdays and Sundays? They seem to be on-duty all weekend, even though I know the business requirements are different.
Also, motions for summary judgements and motions for dismal appear to be very, very common.
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