WTF is WRONG with MITT ROMNEY? Why Doesn't He...

[Don Perignon]

Romney's greatest challenge is in engaging the support of a base that is as shallow and fickle as Newt Gingrich.
On one hand, the Obstructionists don't want him because they're afraid he'll change something. On the other hand, the Activists are afraid he'll keep everything the same.
And then there's the fact that he is descended from ancestors who were religious separatists as well as polygamous.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I think George Soros sums up Romney's biggest political challenge pretty well: There's no difference between Romney and Obama.

www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/25/soros-not-much-difference-between-obama-and-romney/

“If it’s between Obama and Romney, there isn’t all that much difference except for the crowd that they bring with them.” - George Soros

[rockon]

"I fear the hatred for Obama though will have the repubs vote one of these guys in instead of use common sense."

It was the hatred for Bush (including many Republicans) that put Obama in place and he is on track to do more damage to our countries financial position in his first three years then Bush was able to accomplish in eight years.

I will and have gladly joined you and other party people in saying Bush (and the Democratic congress, including Obama), his policies and insane spending be dammed. Now please use some of that common sense in telling Obama the same.

[dumdeedoe]

Just remember Bush had to deal with all of this in 8 years:
1.911
2. 2 front war that started in his first year.
3. Katrina...
4.2007 economic crash.
5. Midwest Floods and ice storms.(worst natural disaster decade on record.)
6. worst decade for foreign disasters ( Indian ocean tsunami,Bangladesh floods,SARS)
SO he had a full plate......

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jan 27, 2012 15:29:06 GMT -5 rockon said:

"I fear the hatred for Obama though will have the repubs vote one of these guys in instead of use common sense."

It was the hatred for Bush (including many Republicans) that put Obama in place and he is on track to do more damage to our countries financial position in his first three years then Bush was able to accomplish in eight years.

I will and have gladly joined you and other party people in saying Bush (and the Democratic congress, including Obama), his policies and insane spending be dammed. Now please use some of that common sense in telling Obama the same.

It was.Bush's inability to govern as a conservative, and defend conservatism that discouraged conservatives, confused independents as to the real core values of the GOP, and that led to the Obama victory.

Bush's second term was the last stand of the RINO.

If Romney gets the nomination, GOP conservative voters will not give him the same benefit of the doubt. Romney wins, the GOP loses.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 27, 2012 15:16:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I think George Soros sums up Romney's biggest political challenge pretty well: There's no difference between Romney and Obama.

www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/25/soros-not-much-difference-between-obama-and-romney/

“If it’s between Obama and Romney, there isn’t all that much difference except for the crowd that they bring with them.” - George Soros

bolsters my assertion that Obama is a moderate republican.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 27, 2012 21:08:07 GMT -5 dumdeedoe said:

Just remember Bush had to deal with all of this in 8 years:
1.911
2. 2 front war that started in his first year.
3. Katrina...
4.2007 economic crash.
5. Midwest Floods and ice storms.(worst natural disaster decade on record.)
6. worst decade for foreign disasters ( Indian ocean tsunami,Bangladesh floods,SARS)
SO he had a full plate......

just remember how he dealt with them.

he created 1.1M jobs in EIGHT YEARS
OBL was still hangin' in Pakinstan, smoking the hooka
appeased AQ by withdrawing from Saudi Arabia
engaged in a war with an enemy that was an enemy of AQ, not an ally
his last budget was over $1T in debt before he left office.

no, i will never forget Bush. ever. and i will never vote for anyone like him, which is why i voted third party last election.

[Don Perignon]

The extremist partisans always claim to have all the answers, and the moderates always get stuck paying the freight.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jan 28, 2012 14:46:48 GMT -5 Don Perignon said:

The extremist partisans always claim to have all the answers, and the moderates always get stuck paying the freight.

Actually, "moderates" are usually just those who have profited from the big government system. When they go to run for office as "moderates" because they stained their old label "liberal" so thoroughly, they dress themselves up as "free market, private sector capitalists".

And it's not the moderates that pay for anything-- those that pay? That would be us. The real private sector, free market capitalists. The real entrepreneurs. The real venture capitalists.

As it turns out, Mitt Romney- after denying he had any business dealings at all with the government- was at the center of the largest Medicare fraud case in Massachusetts history...

Actions taken "right under his nose" (source: Forbes- hardly "media matters") cost taxpayers $40 million and netted Romney a cool half million dollars...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Another conservative write a devasting article on Romney

www.escapetyranny.com/2012/01/30/mark-levin-character-matters-which-is-why-im-not-for-romney/

Character Matters. That's why I'm not supporting Mitt Romney

Romney is not a conservative in the traditional sense, and he has a record of big-government Republicanism.  Even many years after the success of the Reagan administration, he sought to distance himself from Reagan and the GOP, self-identifying as a progressive and independent.  Thus, he resorts to spending multi-millions of dollars trashing his opponents, rather than providing thoughtful arguments on conservatism and constitutionalism.  Lest we forget, it was Gingrich who was trying to run a positive campaign and who offered to debate Romney one-on-one, asking Romney to stop with the millions in unanswered ads attacking him.  Romney declined.  I have no doubt that Romney would do the same thing to Santorum if Santorum was rising in the polls, albeit on different issues.

I have said that Romney is in many ways Richard Nixon, and that Romney would not successfully lead efforts to repeal Obamacare but, in fact, would grow the federal government in many respects.  Romney’s advisor, former senator Norm Coleman, has now said as much.  That is Romney’s record.  Despite having been a businessman, he was not a defender of free market capitalism while governor.  Romneycare is, as Santorum pointed out, a top-down government health care system with an individual mandate that is breaking Massachusetts’ treasury and destroying private health insurance.  It is a disaster.  Romney also backed cap-and-trade and TARP (as did Gingrich).

My great fear is, however, that he is the weakest candidate who can face Obama and will go into the general election with a fractured base, thanks to his own character flaws, which are now on display, and his tactics of personal destruction.  Moreover, while Romney can swamp his Republican opponents by 3 to 1 or more in every state with his spending advantage, Barack Obama will be raising more and spending more to beat him in the general election, meaning Romney’s financial advantage will be non-existent.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

This is utterly amazing. I can't even believe half this stuff-- this completely debunks Romney's lies about Newt Gingrich from people in the Reagan White House. Additionally, it reveals shocking things about Mitt Romney's hard core liberalism.

podfuse-dl.andomedia.com/800185/podfuse-origin.andomedia.com/citadel_origin/pods/marklevin/Levin01262012.mp3

[usaone]

Reagan was a moderate. He governed from the center. That's what made him so popular.

Raised taxes 16 times
Cut taxes
No wars
Complete amnesty for illegal immigrants
etc
etc

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Today was a great example of why Mitt Romney is going to lose. The man should be taking a victory lap, instead he spent the afternoon in damage control after he said he wasn't concerned about the poor, because they have a safety net, and if the safety net needs to be patched, I'll fix it. Well, any conservative worth their salt knows the media is going to play that clip right up until "the poor" and stop so it sounds like Mitt said he doesn't care about the poor. Dumbass.

But the larger point which is going to be missed here is that as conservatives, we don't relegate the poor to the government safety net. We want them to rise up above where they are, and in a ten year period 6 in 10 do get out of poverty in the United States.

Ronald Reagan said it simply and succinctly: "The best social program is a job".

Mitt came to his conservatism late in life- if he is conservative at all- and he just does not know how to make the simplest argument for conservatism.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I'm starting to think Mitt Romney isn't even a real person. I think he is Ann Coulter's Frankenstein fashioned from a 1950's department store manikin.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Ha! Now even National Review is asking, "What's Wrong With This Guy?"

www.nationalreview.com/corner/289833/what-wrong-guy-jonah-goldberg

He may be the most electable on paper. He’s certainly a nice guy, decent father, smart, successful etc. But, every time he seems to get into his groove and pull away he says things that make people think he doesn’t know how to play the game. That can be reassuring to some, who take it as proof he’s not another politician. The problem, for others at least, is that because he isn’t a natural politician he breaks the language where it needs to bend. He uses language — “I like to fire people!” “It’s nothing to get angry about” etc — that doesn’t make him seem like an unconventional politician. Rather his language makes him seem like a caricature of a conventionally stiff country club Republican.

A case in point, here he is this morning talking about how he’s “not very concerned about the very poor” (video here). I get the point he’s making. It’s a point that Bill Clinton won the presidency with — but with language that attracted voters. Romney’s language won’t do anything of the sort. And the concern is, after nearly a decade of running for president, if he can’t get this stuff down now he never will.

And on the heels of a politically flat footed comment on the poor, today Mitt has doubled down on the minimum wage.

[Value Buy]

PBP, what do you want?
A guy who claims"I feel your pain"?
We had eight years of that already.
Now we have had another four years of the same feel good crap, while the country has fallen, and is still not able to get up. Next the Government will issue us all a "life alert" to wear, to make us feel safe.
Enough is enough.
Those sound bites sound good, but accomplish nothing.
Give me Romney and results.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 3, 2012 8:58:42 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

PBP, what do you want?
A guy who claims"I feel your pain"?
We had eight years of that already.
Now we have had another four years of the same feel good crap, while the country has fallen, and is still not able to get up. Next the Government will issue us all a "life alert" to wear, to make us feel safe.
Enough is enough.
Those sound bites sound good, but accomplish nothing.
Give me Romney and results.

I want a guy who doesn't assume that the best we can do is relegate the poor to the 'safety net'. I want him to talk about how liberalism has hurt the poor, and how conservative ideas will lift people up and out of poverty.

I want a guy, who, if what he's trying to say is, "I want to help the middle class" can figure out a better way of saying just that.

[Tired Tess]

And then no matter what he says, or what he's trying to say, you'll have more ammunition to use against him. You're too much looking for a story to pull apart than a plan of putting things back together.

[Don Perignon]

And then no matter what he says, or what he's trying to say, you'll have more ammunition to use against him. You're too much looking for a story to pull apart than a plan of putting things back together

actually, I think his real motivation is in establishing himself as a "message board STAR"... and internet "Diva".
He's willing to say the most preposterous things as long as they keep his name and threads at the top of the page.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The guy has been running for office for six years. He ought to have thought of everything, and he ought to have a reply to every possible question. He should have surrounded himself during his six years of campaigning to drill him-- it really took Newt's performance in South Carolina and the knockout punch he got there, and Michelle Bachmann's debate coach to get Romney to up his game. And he really didn't even do that well in the debates in Florida- Newt was just having an off night. Romney is going to get picked apart and die the death of a thousand cuts (politically- just to be clear). It's going to be painful to watch.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 4, 2012 0:48:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The guy has been running for office for six years. He ought to have thought of everything, and he ought to have a reply to every possible question. He should have surrounded himself during his six years of campaigning to drill him-- it really took Newt's performance in South Carolina and the knockout punch he got there, and Michelle Bachmann's debate coach to get Romney to up his game. And he really didn't even do that well in the debates in Florida- Newt was just having an off night. Romney is going to get picked apart and die the death of a thousand cuts (politically- just to be clear). It's going to be painful to watch.

Paul- i know you won't argue with me on this- but Romney is not what i call a "natural campaigner". he is used to working autocratically- giving people orders, and having them carry them out. he is not really good at convincing people of ANYTHING. so, what he does instead is repeat the same bullshit that we have all heard 1000x. this is precisely the same problem Palin has. she thinks everything is obvious, and we should just follow her lead. but my question to her and Mitt is: why? why SHOULD i follow you? are you brighter? do you have better ideas? what makes you think that we should all do what YOU want?

Mitt is really bad at making that case. he is lucky to be leading in the primary. but he is going to be a very hard sell in November, imo. people like the idea of Mitt in the abstract, and would vote for that abstraction. but his inability to make that idea real is going to hurt him.