PG-13 content

[moon/Laura]

Ok. Having just read the train-wreck of a thread called "mother or wife", I find it necessary to make a point, yet again, about what is allowed, and what's not.

Proboards is VERY strict on the PG13 content. That is not my choice. It's theirs. I'm also well aware that what today's teens really talk about, versus what PB feels is appropriate, is vastly different. But it's what PB says that's important.

I just deleted a BUNCH of stuff out of that thread that I know full well wouldn't be allowed by them. You all should know it too, but you ignore it. So perhaps we need to start banning for it.

You can't keep it clean? You're gone for a day. Second time = 3 days. Third is out the door. Is that really what we need to do here?

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

You can't keep it clean? You're gone for a day. Second time = 3 days. Third is out the door. Is that really what we need to do here?

It it means that if it continues it could get us shut down, then YES that's what we need to do.

[moon/Laura]

I would prefer NOT to have to do so. But if that's what becomes necessary for chronic offenders to get it, then so be it.

[diverdown34]

anotherwords boys and gurls.......... "the bannings begin.......................... NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and DD looooooves to ban people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DD( NEWLY Returned Moderator)

[moon/Laura]

The fact that the husband was being incredibly intolerant wasn't the problem. It was the repeated sexual references. THAT is the stuff that has gotten us into trouble before, and will again!

Frankly, I don't understand what's so hard to grasp. If you want to get down and dirty, that's what facebook is for. Perhaps it's that there's no 'audience shock value' there??!

[moon/Laura]

Once one person said an opinion other wise, the floodgates kind of opened

I went back and re-read again, and this must be where it was insisted upon - by more than one person- that being gay/lesbian was a "sickness".

Frankly, I think anyone who believes homosexuality/lesbianism can be "prayed away" has more than a few screws loose, and to insist on praying for someone who hasn't asked for it is offensive. But that's just me.

Again, the larger problem was the crude sexual stuff.

[thyme4change]

I pretty sure it was the graphic description of the lesbian sex act, and the equally graphic description of an alternative to being a lesbian that was out of bounds. For the record, I had an uncharacteristic moment of ignoring it.

[moon/Laura]

But ratchets.. what does the difference of opinion regarding sexual orientation being a "sickness" or not have to do with the crude SEXUAL remarks that were made?!

NOTHING! that's what.

i didn't even see the thread until after it was already locked.. so I personally issued no warnings. i think warnings being issued for insisting sexual orientation could be cured - when there is no medical proof of it being possible - were on target.

[thyme4change]

Uh oh - we are going to get banned for stating things that are untrue. This place is going to get pretty empty.

[moon/Laura]

i haven't said i intend to ban anyone for that thyme.. please don't make things up.


i don't WANT to ban because people can't keep it within the guidelines either, but it's starting to seem like that may be the only recourse.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

No, Thyme. The problem was the graphic references to certain sexual acts and then people feeding off of that and adding more references. That's what Moon's trying to clarilfy for those who can't seem to get it through their heads that it's not acceptable for our host (Proboards) and could cause big problems for us (NMSNM).

[Deleted]

Moon, two other moderators warned the poster calling it a sickness that they were going to be banned if they said it again. THAT is what Ratchets is talking about.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

[chiver78]

Jan 13, 2012 22:00:35 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

I will add that I think anyone who believes homosexuality/lesbianism can be "prayed away" has more than a few screws loose, and to insist on praying for someone who hasn't asked for it is offensive. But that's just me.

That's what I was trying to say...there are people who think it can be, so maybe we should listen to them and figure out why they think that way, instead of saying "that's against the PB agreement" - it's not - and then banning them.

I dunno, I'm not trying to tell you how to run the board. It's your board so run it whatever way you think is best. from what I saw though, somebody posted an alternate point of view and everybody jumped his shit. I know after that post that people ripped into him, and you told them to stop...I don't know the specifics, because I didn't see the posts. You really can't have a message board without people who disagree with each other though, that's the whole point of stating your fact or why you don't like their fact...as long as folks aren't talking about individual posters and hunting them down or something let them hash it out for cripes sakes...

okay....as one of those moderators that issued a warning - I am going to offer up the reasoning behind the warning as it pertains to our CoC and PB. not that it's up for discussion as a moderator decision, but more as a yardstick to measure what's acceptable to post. hopefully this helps.

I viewed the posts I quoted and warned earlier today as hateful speech. while there are posters on this board that feel homosexuality may be wrong or immoral, nobody has ever insulted anyone else by insinuating mental illness as a cause for their sexual orientation. while there isn't, or at least shouldn't be, a stigma associated with mental illness, the tone of those posts cannot be seen as anything BUT insulting.

quite frankly, I don't care what group is being hated on. if you're posting it, I'm warning/pulling it.

[moon/Laura]

Yes, i already edited one post (#6) above to acknowledge having seen that. in fact, i had done so right before ratchets posted again.

and in post 9 i said i agree with the warnings for insisting homosexuality is a sickness. medical science doesn't call it an illness, so how can (general) you?!

[Deleted]

the tone of those posts cannot be seen as anything BUT insulting.

Sure it could. If the poster had said manic depression is a mental illness and you should pray for the person you would not have batted an eyelash.

That poster had a different opinion than the majority. There were other posters being way more hateful about the daughter the thread was about than that poster was.

[chiver78]

Jan 13, 2012 23:19:19 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

the tone of those posts cannot be seen as anything BUT insulting.

Sure it could. If the poster had said manic depression is a mental illness and you should pray for the person you would not have batted an eyelash.

That poster had a different opinion than the majority. There were other posters being way more hateful about the daughter the thread was about than that poster was.

not at all - manic depression IS an illness. it is recognized by medical professionals, and has a standard course of treatment. homosexuality is neither of those.

[moon/Laura]

that's comparing apples to oranges later. someone who is manic-depressive has a treatable medical condition. homosexuality is NOT treatable.

praying will make neither one go away.

and again, my major issue with the thread was the SEXUAL CONTENT- because THAT is what can get us shut down.. but no one wants to listen to that. they want to argue other crap instead.

[ZaireinHD]

dang I knew I should have read that thread...now I don't have any examples to look out for...

[bimetalaupt]

Jan 13, 2012 23:27:27 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

that's comparing apples to oranges later. someone who is manic-depressive has a treatable medical condition. homosexuality is NOT treatable.

praying will make neither one go away.

and again, my major issue with the thread was the SEXUAL CONTENT- because THAT is what can get us shut down.. but no one wants to listen to that. they want to argue other crap instead.

Moon,
Thank-you for the valuable insight. ON THE PG-13 CONTENT RULES!!!..agree 100%


BiMetalAuPt

[moon/Laura]

And all of that still has nothing to do with the topic of this thread - which is keeping the content pg13.

[Bluerobin]

Moon, PG-13 is really a difficult concept. I live along a route to a middle school. Most of the kids would be 13 and under - they know more thing than some of the adults on here and I sometimes google the interesting stuff!

[chiver78]

Jan 14, 2012 9:44:33 GMT -5 @rj said:

Jan 14, 2012 6:06:27 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

Moon, PG-13 is really a difficult concept. I live along a route to a middle school. Most of the kids would be 13 and under - they know more thing than some of the adults on here and I sometimes google the interesting stuff!

You cant base your definition of PG13 on what the kids say or do. There is an industry standard of what PG13 is.
I agree the beliefs of Homosexuality was not the problem, The comments were a little hard to believe, and some do believe pray will help with a lot of problems thats not what got the thread locked. There was one post that I even found offensive and thats what started the melt down.

you are correct, Rick - that's not what got the thread locked.

[Deleted]

Classic example of "not seeing the forest for the trees".

[Deleted]

Jan 13, 2012 23:27:27 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

that's comparing apples to oranges later. someone who is manic-depressive has a treatable medical condition. homosexuality is NOT treatable.

I hate to break it to you moon but that is an opinion. There are medical professionals that think it is. I don't agree with them but that is not the point. Thinking something is a disease is not insulting in itself. Praying for people is not insulting. You guys are bringing your own emotional baggage to it.

I'll say like Ratchets, I'm not going to argue this anymore.

[moon/Laura]

that would be a switch. you argue basically everything we do, after all.


and again, i have to ask.. what does it have to do with the title of this thread???

[Deleted]

LOL Moon I don't come close to arguing everything you do. Threads go off topic around here all the time. EEers are proud of the fact. And my comments were in response to yours, so that would make us both off topic.

Have a good Saturday

[kittensaver]

Jan 14, 2012 11:43:14 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

Jan 13, 2012 23:27:27 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

that's comparing apples to oranges later. someone who is manic-depressive has a treatable medical condition. homosexuality is NOT treatable.

I hate to break it to you moon but that is an opinion. There are medical professionals that think it is. I don't agree with them but that is not the point. Thinking something is a disease is not insulting in itself. Praying for people is not insulting. You guys are bringing your own emotional baggage to it.

I'll say like Ratchets, I'm not going to argue this anymore.

Okay, I'm gonna jump in here now and throw my weight around a little. Sorry, but I'm an advocate and I gotta do this . . . I'm an executive manager for the second largest chapter of the largest mental health treatment and advocacy organization in the country. NO WHERE in ANY medical documentation will you find homosexuality defined as an illness - mental or otherwise. You will NOT find it in the DSM-IVR (the current version of the mental health diagnostics manual). IGNORING THE FACTS DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS. Maybe "some" medical folks believe it, but they do so on their own time, not officially and not professionally. There is NO medical evidence to support it. If a licensed medical professional in this country "treated" someone for homosexuality they could be accused of fraud or malpractice and lose their license. Stigma is stigma is stigma. I completely agree that folks should be allowed to have differing opinions (otherwise, why bother with a chat board?) but insulting someone over a highly stigmatized illness they don't have - or even that they do have! - is completely unacceptable.

[Deleted]

kittensaver that is a way better response than "if you don't shut up I'm gonna ban you"

[kittensaver]

Laterbloomer: it hurts my heart to see how us human beings treat each other! I wish we could learn to discuss (and disagree!) without throwing untrue, stigmatizing, horrible insults around.