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Post by Shooby on Sept 10, 2014 16:33:49 GMT -5
I guess I am asking both? How much involvement should an employer have regarding personal , criminal or non work related issues?
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Post by Angel! on Sept 10, 2014 20:04:13 GMT -5
I guess I am asking both? How much involvement should an employer have regarding personal , criminal or non work related issues? A normal employer could opt to have none as far as I am concerned. The NFL, IMO, is not a normal employer. I think it is their best interest to keep their players on the right side of the law and not seen as abuser, druggies, etc. They make their money through fans and their players are in the public eye. This is far different than say an employee at Walmart. You would never know if your cashier had been charged with dv.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 11, 2014 1:08:08 GMT -5
The NFL is a business. They have the right to "fire" someone if that person's actions infringe on their business or tarnish it.
A business corporation usually has a code of conduct, so to speak - and you accept their conditions of employment and abide by it, or you face the consequences of possibly being fired if you do something that's unacceptable to their business practice. Professional athletes are not much different than employees in any other business enterprises (which is what the NFL or other Pro sports are).. their main goal is to make money, plain and simple.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 11, 2014 5:45:31 GMT -5
Rice was employed by the Ravens, not the NFL. Yes, they are the larger governing body but his paycheck came from them.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 11, 2014 7:34:48 GMT -5
If the video is out there why is he not being charged with domestic abuse. He was already charged and plead down. Probably can't be charged again. That's my understanding of it. Double jeopardy rules are in place in the court system. And it's my understanding that the police/DA saw the interior elevator footage and accepted the plea agreement. So legally, unless he/she break whatever conditions were in that plea agreement, I don't think there's anything US Law can do now. I'm not exactly boycotting the NFL - but my kids are at the stage where they stall at bedtime and Sundays afternoons want Mom and Dad's attention. So football's priority is dropping in our house. But as you can tell, I'm pissed at Goodell and by extension the NFL so it's not like I'm trying to figure out ways to watch football like I did when the kids were babies.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 11, 2014 7:37:29 GMT -5
Well, the NFL can give lip service to women. If they want women to watch, then how about a honest to goodness REAL female football announcer who isn't just some big pair of boobs and high heels? How about letting women really TALK about football instead of banishing them to the sidelines for snippets? How about some female football referees? And, don't say "it's too dangerous" because if these old out of shape geezers can be refs, then why not some women? So, I really believe they want to include women when they do that.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 11, 2014 7:56:02 GMT -5
Well, the NFL can give lip service to women. If they want women to watch, then how about a honest to goodness REAL female football announcer who isn't just some big pair of boobs and high heels? How about letting women really TALK about football instead of banishing them to the sidelines for snippets? How about some female football referees? And, don't say "it's too dangerous" because if these old out of shape geezers can be refs, then why not some women? So, I really believe they want to include women when they do that. How about they do away with all male/female reporters doing the stupid snippets on the sidelines. Drives me up the wall. Of course I know where the mute button is on my remote and actually watch most games without the TALKING IDIOT HEADS going on and on.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 11, 2014 7:58:27 GMT -5
That works too, lol. But, I watch the WNBA and there are some damn good announcers who truly know the game and discuss the game and make excellent points. There are women who know football with the best of the men but they choose not to find them and instead put "babes" on wearing skimpy mini dresses (all I can think is they must be freezing) while the talking penises have on their 3 piece suits! lol
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 11, 2014 8:05:30 GMT -5
Hmmm, I'd just like to have knowledge announcers who actually understand football. 3/4 of the announcing teams are horrible. Radio announcers are so much better but there are syncing issues.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 11, 2014 8:06:26 GMT -5
Well, I would like them to actually spend time talking about the GAME and analyzing the game and discussing plays and strategies instead of dithering on about stupid crap.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 11, 2014 8:08:02 GMT -5
And, they need to realize, a lot of the younger generation hasn't played football. There are many other sports to play like soccer, wrestling ,etc. They need to be educating on what this "I formation" is and the intricacies of the plays and so forth if they want to capture new people to watch.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 11, 2014 8:12:58 GMT -5
Well, I would like them to actually spend time talking about the GAME and analyzing the game and discussing plays and strategies instead of dithering on about stupid crap. God, who was the horrible announcer who for at least 2 years kept saying "they turned it over on downs" on 3rd down? And why did it take them so long to get rid of him. And the partner did correct him on air a couple of times that DH and I caught. And this was one of the night game announcers - so either ESPN, NFL or possibly NBC. I really think it was on teh NFL channel because I remember having a tirade about "It's the freaking NFL channel. Shouldn't they be getting the TOP announcers because of who they are? How the hell did they end up with crappy announcers who don't know the basic rules?"
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 11, 2014 8:26:16 GMT -5
Hmmm, I'd just like to have knowledge announcers who actually understand football. 3/4 of the announcing teams are horrible. Radio announcers are so much better but there are syncing issues. AMEN. That's why I mute so many games. I can't mute the Raiders games since I rarely get to see them on TV and have to listen online. Listening to announcers talk all over each other and loving the sound of their voice makes me think at some point they are going to start hyper ventilating. Guess that would shut them up for a while - brown bag and all
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 11, 2014 8:28:41 GMT -5
I guess I am asking both? How much involvement should an employer have regarding personal , criminal or non work related issues? A normal employer could opt to have none as far as I am concerned. The NFL, IMO, is not a normal employer. I think it is their best interest to keep their players on the right side of the law and not seen as abuser, druggies, etc. They make their money through fans and their players are in the public eye. This is far different than say an employee at Walmart. You would never know if your cashier had been charged with dv. I agree with Angel on this. From an economic standpoint, professional sports has a lot to lose when a marquee player gets busted. But the governing bodies of major sports also knows that the general public has a short memory and overall, is also fairly forgiving when it comes to player downfalls. We like a good comeback story, because we can see ourselves in that position, too. It could be good business sense for any employer to be mindful of employees' criminal issues, though. If an employee works in a cash-heavy business, such as banking, and gets arrested for retail theft, or check forgery, that could possibly impact their ethics at work. That employee's bank manager might want to take a closer look at what that person has been doing on the job, to see if there is a pattern. This kind of checking and observation would not be necessary in every occupation, but I could see it as needed in certain types of jobs.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 11, 2014 8:40:03 GMT -5
A normal employer could opt to have none as far as I am concerned. The NFL, IMO, is not a normal employer. I think it is their best interest to keep their players on the right side of the law and not seen as abuser, druggies, etc. They make their money through fans and their players are in the public eye. This is far different than say an employee at Walmart. You would never know if your cashier had been charged with dv. I agree with Angel on this. From an economic standpoint, professional sports has a lot to lose when a marquee player gets busted. But the governing bodies of major sports also knows that the general public has a short memory and overall, is also fairly forgiving when it comes to player downfalls. We like a good comeback story, because we can see ourselves in that position, too. It could be good business sense for any employer to be mindful of employees' criminal issues, though. If an employee works in a cash-heavy business, such as banking, and gets arrested for retail theft, or check forgery, that could possibly impact their ethics at work. That employee's bank manager might want to take a closer look at what that person has been doing on the job, to see if there is a pattern. This kind of checking and observation would not be necessary in every occupation, but I could see it as needed in certain types of jobs. We're also seeing a change in how media covers sports and how police react when a player gets busted. Rumor says that 20 years ago, most teams got a free pass for their players by the cops and the media. There are still rumors that in Green Bay the Packers don't always get busted when they should. But it's getting better, I think in part due to 24 hour media coverage by cable and the Internet has helped with increasing the focus on players.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 11, 2014 9:27:21 GMT -5
I agree with Angel on this. From an economic standpoint, professional sports has a lot to lose when a marquee player gets busted. But the governing bodies of major sports also knows that the general public has a short memory and overall, is also fairly forgiving when it comes to player downfalls. We like a good comeback story, because we can see ourselves in that position, too. It could be good business sense for any employer to be mindful of employees' criminal issues, though. If an employee works in a cash-heavy business, such as banking, and gets arrested for retail theft, or check forgery, that could possibly impact their ethics at work. That employee's bank manager might want to take a closer look at what that person has been doing on the job, to see if there is a pattern. This kind of checking and observation would not be necessary in every occupation, but I could see it as needed in certain types of jobs. We're also seeing a change in how media covers sports and how police react when a player gets busted. Rumor says that 20 years ago, most teams got a free pass for their players by the cops and the media. There are still rumors that in Green Bay the Packers don't always get busted when they should. But it's getting better, I think in part due to 24 hour media coverage by cable and the Internet has helped with increasing the focus on players. And add to that, the fact that players themselves put their own lives out there, in the form of appearances, selfies, Instagrams, FB, fan pages, etc., along with community work. Not saying that self-promotion is a bad thing, mind you. But it can, and does, invite a lot of scrutiny. Funny/sad story in our local paper this week about Miami Dolphins' quarterback Ryan Tannehill. The guy will not go out, aside from promotional appearances. No restaurants, bars, nothing social with the team at all. He hangs out at home with his family. He says he does not even want the smallest hint of being in trouble or causing trouble anywhere. It's nice to see a clean-cut player, but in a way, it's a little sad that it's come to this.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 12, 2014 6:59:13 GMT -5
I saw about 3 minutes of last night's game tota, mostly in the 1st half. We had school stuff, then homework and bedtime for the kids. And then bedtime again for C. Poor kid did not sleep well last night.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 12, 2014 17:40:32 GMT -5
Adrian Peterson just got charged for child abuse. Reckless or negligent injury. He apparently punished his son with a switch & left bruises & cuts.
Really curious how the NFL will handle this in light of the Ray Rice thing & the bad PR they recieved for that.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 12, 2014 17:47:12 GMT -5
Spare the rod and retain your NFL career?
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Post by Shooby on Sept 12, 2014 18:50:43 GMT -5
Well, i guess they need to go thru now and clean house.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 12, 2014 20:04:25 GMT -5
there won't be anyone left if they truly clean house.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 15, 2014 6:59:13 GMT -5
there won't be anyone left if they truly clean house. ain't that the truth. But I'm proud of the Panthers for making Hardy inactive while they investigate. I think that's probably the way the NFL professional sports should handle this while they investigate. It's more or less what we do at my job, pay them while we look into it or they take it to court as felony convictions = termination. And I'm way happy about my Packers winning yesterday.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 16, 2014 14:54:09 GMT -5
Nike pulls Adrian Peterson merchandise from Twin Cities stores Posted by Darin Gantt on September 16, 2014, 3:49 PM EDT dontdoit
It’s one thing for government leaders and the media to bang on the Vikings for reinstating Adrian Peterson after a paid weekend off.
But now the guys with the money are starting to chime in.
According to the Associated Press, Nike has removed all of its Peterson merchandise from their stores in the Twin Cities.
They’re still willing to sell it to you online, but removing the most visible Viking from the shelves makes some degree of a statement.
It might not have the direct economic impact of Radisson pulling its sponsorship from the team, but it’s another clear sign that there are plenty of people unhappy with the way the team has handled this behind the mask of “due process.”
*-*-*- Another report says that Radisson's pulling and/or suspending their sponsorship of the Vikings.
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Anheuser-Busch disappointed, concerned, dissatisfied with NFL Posted by Michael David Smith on September 16, 2014, 3:47 PM EDT Goodell Getty Images
A major NFL sponsor has had enough with the misbehavior of NFL players and the response of NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners he works for.
Anheuser-Busch, the beer maker that spends a fortune on NFL advertising and sponsorship, has released a strongly worded statement in response to the controversies that have unfolded over the last week regarding Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald.
“We are disappointed and increasingly concerned by the recent incidents that have overshadowed this NFL season. We are not yet satisfied with the league’s handling of behaviors that so clearly go against our own company culture and moral code. We have shared our concerns and expectations with the league,” the statement said.
Previous statements from the NFL’s corporate partners have generally shown confidence in the NFL’s ability to get a handle on the events that have contributed to the ugliest week in NFL history. The statement from Anheuser-Busch shows no such confidence. If the NFL can’t satisfy Anheuser-Busch, the NFL is at risk losing one of its most lucrative partners.
Which means Roger Goodell is at risk of losing his job. Make no mistake, the reason the NFL’s owners are supportive of Goodell is that the NFL’s owners have made a lot of money while Goodell has run the league. The day Goodell’s mismanagement of this issue costs the owners money is the day Goodell loses the support of the owners. Goodell has already mismanaged the Rice case. He had better figure out the right way to handle the cases of Peterson, Hardy and McDonald.
If Goodell can’t get the job done, the owners will find a commissioner who can.
ETA - source for all of this is profootballtalk.com Mods, if I copied too much over, either let me know or feel free to edit the post.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 17, 2014 9:06:37 GMT -5
Also from PFT.com
I wonder if it's going to address ADD/ADHD meds.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 18, 2014 7:32:29 GMT -5
And I'm in a football pool again this year. Woohoo! ONly $2 a week.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 19, 2014 7:17:52 GMT -5
I did not get to see the Falcons/Bucs game last night. But it sure sounds like the Falcons were dominating.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 19, 2014 7:26:02 GMT -5
56 - 14 was the score. I quit watching after a while since I was going back and forth with another show!!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 19, 2014 7:31:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I fell asleep with my not quite 5 year old son in his bed and woke up at 215am.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 8:56:06 GMT -5
I didn't bother watching the game after the first quarter. Quite boring, unless you are a Falcons fan.
So Jonathan Dwyer is accused of domestic abuse also. What a surprise, Roger Goodell disappears when his leadership is needed most. He is a joke.
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