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Post by ugonow on Aug 11, 2011 8:53:52 GMT -5
of taxes in the 90's?---- "...But McConnell has not always been so virulently anti-tax. In fact, in a 1990 campaign ad, McConnell said that “everyone should pay their fair share, including the rich,” prompting the Associated Press to say that he sounded like a “populist Democrat”: “Many Republican candidates are, in fact, holding fast to the no-new-taxes position that Bush embraced and then abandoned, even as they try to portray themselves as friends of senior citizens and the disadvantaged. Others are sounding more and more like populist Democrats. ‘Unlike some folks around here, I think everyone should pay their fair share, including the rich,’ Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., says in a campaign ad.” [Associated Press, 10/28/90] “A twist of untraditional Republicanism is added to McConnell’s message when he says, ‘Unlike some folks around here, I think everyone should pay their fair share, including the rich. We need to protect seniors from Medicare cuts too,’” wrote Roll Call reporter Steve Lilienthal. “After proclaiming his independence from the President and Congressional leaders, McConnell reassures voters that he will back a ‘fair deal for the working families of Kentucky.’” ["Democrats Flood Airwaves Charging GOP Party of Rich," Roll Call, 11/5/1990]" thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08/10/293153/mcconnell-tax-the-rich-flashback/
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Post by cme1201 on Aug 11, 2011 8:59:48 GMT -5
It's a real shame that you have to go 21 years in the past to make your point "shine".
I guess every position you had in 1990 is the exact same as you hold today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 9:01:06 GMT -5
“A twist of untraditional Republicanism is added to McConnell’s message when he says, ‘Unlike some folks around here, I think everyone should pay their fair share, including the rich.
I have to agree with that. Let's get that 48% that doesn't pay to paying. Oh & let's stop the wealth redistribution deal with taxes & stop refunding more than was paid in. That's should help the budget a lot more than the 3% extra tax on the rich.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Aug 11, 2011 9:07:41 GMT -5
I am in favor of going back 21 years. This will also mean we roll back all fed govt spending to what it was in 1990 also.
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Post by flopsy on Aug 11, 2011 9:11:34 GMT -5
what is fair? fair to whom?
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Post by ugonow on Aug 11, 2011 9:14:14 GMT -5
But the loopholes and subsidies have grown since then. You would think if he held that position back then, he really would now.
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Post by cme1201 on Aug 11, 2011 9:14:19 GMT -5
I am in favor of going back 21 years. This will also mean we roll back all fed govt spending to what it was in 1990 also. I am fine with that, but just using the words of someone from 21 years ago is asinine, people change, peoples positions change. Yet as was stated yesterday, it's all about party for some, so they dig as far back as they can to make it "sting" that those who are3 held up as leaders in the party are made to look foolish. I would rather people look at what lead us to where we are, and look for real solutions to our problems than this childish blame game MY PARTY GOOD, YOUR PARTY BAD and realize that both parties Repubs, Dems and to an extent Independents (if you can really call them that as most ride right along with either the Dems or Repubs depending what they were before being forced in to the independent camp because they couldn't win the party nomination) are the reason we are where we are. Nothing, not one single thing is ever going to change in DC until we (collective) decide that we (collective) have had enough of this BS and force real meaningful and lasting change.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Aug 11, 2011 9:15:56 GMT -5
CME, I made that post tongue in cheek.
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Post by ugonow on Aug 11, 2011 9:19:07 GMT -5
Rates have dropped 25 percent in that bracket since the 90's.Why is it "asinine" to look back at McConnels statement from then and wonder why he feels differently nopw,cme?
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Post by cme1201 on Aug 11, 2011 9:28:12 GMT -5
Rates have dropped 25 percent in that bracket since the 90's.Why is it "asinine" to look back at McConnels statement from then and wonder why he feels differently nopw,cme? Ungonow, If you were really interested in why, you would send a few emails and snail mails to ask him yourself. Making assumptions on a board where he will never see it is doing nothing but trying for a gotya moment. You pulled out what the AP had to say from 1990 you pulled what roll call had to say in 1990 yet you the Original poster of this thread have brought nothing into the discussion. What exactly would you like to discuss? Why the difference now and then, could be that he is 21 years older and wiser, it could be that he fulfilled his obligation in 1990 that he said he would, it could be that it is the only way to keep his seat in Kentucky.
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Post by ugonow on Aug 11, 2011 9:33:38 GMT -5
Loopholes and tax breaks have doubled. I just don't think he is being honest in his current rhetoric.If you think I am asinine for wondering why he changed his view, so be it. I really don't care.
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Post by ugonow on Aug 11, 2011 9:36:55 GMT -5
Is it also asinine to wonder why Paul Ryan was for closing loopholes and subsidies because we couldn't afford them anymore, but now is against it?
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Post by cme1201 on Aug 11, 2011 9:46:14 GMT -5
www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/95inrate.pdfwww.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/05inrate.pdfCan you see the difference in the 10 year span between in 1995 you had 75.5% of returns have a tax burden 558.00 and a tax rate of 14.7% In 2005 you had 67.4% of returns having a burden of 935.00 with a tax rate of 13.6%, seems based off these numbers Fewer people are paying a larger share. I wish I could find the numbers for 2009 and 2010 but they are not published yet I don't believe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 10:04:12 GMT -5
The true is that liberals are in love with the idea of taxing the rich. Does it matter that the rich already pay more than their share of taxes....No it doesn't. Does it matter that anyone with a calculator can quickly figure out that not only are there not enough rich but they don't earn enough money to support this country.....No it doesn't. Liberals are socialist, take from those who have & give to those that don't. It doesn't matter that those who have are the producers in society & those that don't are many times the dregs of society that want everything & earn nothing.....No it doesn't. All that matter to liberals is that everybody has a pie in the sky income to live on.
So how do they go about it. They try to modify laws to put in social programs that will rob from the middle class (not the rich because they can't even fund what we have). You see the liberals know that their pay checks aren't enough to do anything worthwhile so they keep them. Oh they may give to a charity or two but not with any meaningful amount of money (meaningful as in the kind of tax hike that the middle class will have to have to afford social programs that liberals want). I have yet to meet a liberal that gives 50% of his pay to anything for the poor. I have also yet to meet a liberal that wouldn't squeal like a pig if someone took enough of their money to lower their standard of living.
You see liberals are those bratty little 7 year olds that we've all seen. They want what they want & it doesn't matter that it's impractical. They won't pay for it so money is no object. They look at "me" as the center of the universe & when they don't get their way they whine, cry, & cuss at everyone until they give in. The real difference between a liberal & a bratty 7 year old is that the 7 year old doesn't preach how morally superior they are while they are pitching a temper tantrum. Not the only difference of course....the 7 year old will grow up.
Oh & of course I have to modify this to include one other trait of the liberal. It's not my fault. A liberal never does anything bad. If one of their programs fail somebody else caused it. To them it doesn't matter if the excuse isn't logical because they are liberal & always right & well.....your wrong just for challenging them for not being right. Liberals except no responsibility for anything bad.
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 11, 2011 10:19:51 GMT -5
But the loopholes and subsidies have grown since then. You would think if he held that position back then, he really would now. Why would you assume that? If you look back at my political leanings from 21 years ago, people here would be calling me a bleeding heart liberal. I've grown up since then.
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 11, 2011 10:23:01 GMT -5
Loopholes and tax breaks have doubled. I just don't think he is being honest in his current rhetoric.If you think I am asinine for wondering why he changed his view, so be it. I really don't care. Please place the names of all current politicians that have been completely honest , never changed their positions, and has always kept their word their entire political career.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 11, 2011 10:23:37 GMT -5
For those interested in contacting Senator McConnell regarding his purported change of opinion, his official page is here: mcconnell.senate.gov/public/His email can be accessed through the contact information section at the bottom of the main page.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 11, 2011 10:30:48 GMT -5
Rates have dropped 25 percent in that bracket since the 90's.Why is it "asinine" to look back at McConnels statement from then and wonder why he feels differently nopw,cme? Ungonow, If you were really interested in why, you would send a few emails and snail mails to ask him yourself. Making assumptions on a board where he will never see it is doing nothing but trying for a gotya moment.You pulled out what the AP had to say from 1990 you pulled what roll call had to say in 1990 yet you the Original poster of this thread have brought nothing into the discussion. What exactly would you like to discuss? Why the difference now and then, could be that he is 21 years older and wiser, it could be that he fulfilled his obligation in 1990 that he said he would, it could be that it is the only way to keep his seat in Kentucky. CME-these boards are full of assumptions in which the person being discussed will never read the comments. These boards are full of "gotya moments." To single out one poster for doing what many posters do all the time is not far IMO.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 11, 2011 11:16:16 GMT -5
I am in favor of going back 21 years. This will also mean we roll back all fed govt spending to what it was in 1990 also.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 11, 2011 11:17:03 GMT -5
what is fair? fair to whom?
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Post by cme1201 on Aug 11, 2011 11:20:05 GMT -5
Ungonow, If you were really interested in why, you would send a few emails and snail mails to ask him yourself. Making assumptions on a board where he will never see it is doing nothing but trying for a gotya moment.You pulled out what the AP had to say from 1990 you pulled what roll call had to say in 1990 yet you the Original poster of this thread have brought nothing into the discussion. What exactly would you like to discuss? Why the difference now and then, could be that he is 21 years older and wiser, it could be that he fulfilled his obligation in 1990 that he said he would, it could be that it is the only way to keep his seat in Kentucky. CME-these boards are full of assumptions in which the person being discussed will never read the comments. These boards are full of "gotya moments." To single out one poster for doing what many posters do all the time is not far IMO. So what I understand you to say Tennesseer is that you fill that I have singled ugonow and have never singled anyone else out or called them on the vitriol that they have posted that does nothing to move forward rational discussion, is this correct? I am singling no one out, what I am doing is trying to show that is all you choose to do is blame one side, continuously you are accomplishing nothing. You are correct in that this board (as are most discussion boards) are filled with assumptions. That is why when wanting to discuss items one need to actually open up a discussion, not just throw meaningless article links that in no way open up discussion. Instead of the ALL THIS or ALL THAT, use words that open up rational discussion. I have called Deziloo out when he has dodged around issues, I have called out PBP for his vitriol, I have called out oldtex for trying to lay all blame at the feet of dems. What I would like as a poster is to have good conversation that shows each side holding their own members to the standards that they expect the other side to hold too. Is that really too much to ask? Pull off the party blinders and see that the world isn't all rainbows and unicorns but is really sand sitting next to a sewage drain and we (collective) are throwing the sand we stand on in the hole.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 11, 2011 11:38:03 GMT -5
Rates have dropped 25 percent in that bracket since the 90's.Why is it "asinine" to look back at McConnels statement from then and wonder why he feels differently nopw,cme? Maybe he doesn't feel that way anymore? Just as Obama spoke out against raising the debt deciling a mere 5 years ago yet was fighting hard to increase it earlier this month.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 11, 2011 11:41:41 GMT -5
Is it also asinine to wonder why Paul Ryan was for closing loopholes and subsidies because we couldn't afford them anymore, but now is against it? As long as you also look into why so many democrats were against the deficit spending of Bush and the Reps but then added to that spending when they came into power...I'd say those two issues are linked in some way
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Aug 11, 2011 11:43:24 GMT -5
It just shows how far right things have gone. If things keep going the way they are, just wait until 2031, when unemployment is in the high twenties, the rich actually get a negative tax rate (hey, maybe now they'll hire) and make even more billions, and education and infrastructure is about nil. Might as well call ourselves the United States of Somalia. Remember with Conservatives: Unfair wages = GOOD! Unfair taxes = BAD! Let's shed a tear for the poor rich people. Sorry, when the average Joe gets a yearly 10% salary increase (even if he fails), isn't held responsible for anything, and gets even a bronze parachute, let us know. Right, that'll do wonders on a consumer driven economy. Ever notice how statements like this only come up when a Republican's feet are held to the fire? But if there was a thread complaining about Democrats, somehow things like this never come up. All we need now is someone to declare "Both Democrats and Republicans are bad" in a thread like this, but go on bashing Dems (and fail to state how Repubs are bad too) in other threads. Could you be a bit more specific? Things are so far to the right here, that even if Reagan himself posted, he'd be chastised for being a liberal. How dare he talk about raising taxes and amnesty for illegals! Congratulations on your height increase; I'm sure you ate a well balanced diet and exercised regularly. So how's the "starving children in the streets" business been treating you? Oh, and tl;dr : your extended foamy rants missed the mark the last n times you've made them, so I'll take my chances in assuming that it's just another Madame Cleo mind reading session gone awry, or at the very best, there may be a lib out there that's that far left and only comprises .01% of the population. Shall I go on my own extended rant about Deliverance-esque banjo pickin', militia joinin', holy rollin' Conservatives? They're out there somewhere too.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 11, 2011 11:48:24 GMT -5
They don't need to say this in every post Mkitty...because posters like you are blaming everything on Reps and never find fault with the Dems. There's the balance.
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Post by steff on Aug 11, 2011 12:54:38 GMT -5
I'll say it.... you warned everyone on a religious thread that if it wasn't about Perry then their post would be deleted.... pbp put 2 very long off topic posts on the thread and you didn't do a thing about it. Even after warning "everyone"....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 13:34:28 GMT -5
They don't need to say this in every post Mkitty...because posters like you are blaming everything on Reps and never find fault with the Dems. There's the balance
To Mkitty there is no balance, there is only the party line. She quotes it here over & over. Sometimes she makes mistakes & tries to expand on them & doesn't realize that she is totally wrong about what the point is but you have to give her an A+ for being loyal.
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Post by verrip1 on Aug 11, 2011 13:54:05 GMT -5
The only people I can think of who aren't paying their fair share are the 45% who pay zero income tax.
Now, that ain't fair!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 14:28:55 GMT -5
The only people I can think of who aren't paying their fair share are the 45% who pay zero income tax.
Now, that ain't fair!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 11, 2011 14:39:38 GMT -5
I am in favor of going back 21 years. This will also mean we roll back all fed govt spending to what it was in 1990 also. why not 11?
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