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[maui1]

when i say someone is acting like a child, i get the boot.......how is that any different?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 2, 2011 10:04:08 GMT -5 @maui1 said:

when i say someone is acting like a child, i get the boot.......how is that any different?

if you truly get the boot for that, there is none. do you?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 31, 2011 15:09:54 GMT -5 steff said:

I found it funny to hear paul go on and on about how the world as we know it is ending because of "liberals" while giggling about how much money he's making off the end of the world as we know it.

It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark. You shouldn't confuse short term opportunities with the notion that long term, the country isn't going to collapse if we don't change course.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 31, 2011 9:21:34 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Jul 30, 2011 23:20:17 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I only brag to drive certain people nuts. It's not in my nature otherwise.

I also "brag" - or, more accurately, share stories of my successes (and failures- like running three businesses straight into the ground-- including the oft discussed "mulch" business) as a means of inspiring others.

fine.. i just think that you can accomplish that without sharing dollar amounts, that's all.

It's a double edged sword, moon. If I tried to teach principles, as in a Roberty Kiyosaki approach, I'd get badgered for details. If I give the numbers, it's "bragging". I lean towards the latter because I like numbers myself-- and not just percents, but dollar figures.

I wouldn't want to lead people to believe that they could do a deal like I did with no money-- even though it came out that I was getting paid to take the house, the reality is that I put $5K in escrow (earnest money) with my offer-- and I was prepared to come up with another $15K ($20K total). But, had I dug into it and played my cards right-- I could have done the deal for $5K.

Point being, I want people to know that with knowledge, and a little bit of money, and a willingness to take a chance-- they can find the deal of a lifetime about once a week.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 1, 2011 21:05:41 GMT -5 @robbase said:

it is interesting to see WCP back pedal....... first we were all doomed on 180 days or whatever & than I called him on it by tracking it (it's easy to predict soemthing 6 months out and then the thread is forgotten and no one remembers), as the deadline approached and passed he mysteriously softened his approach (and to his credit he EVENTUALLY admintted he was wrong)

now he seems to be back pedaling from his oppinion on those of us without our own business / multiple streams of incomes....I remember him using some borderline derogatory word for those of us with "jobs" (apparently a bad 4 letter to WCP)...it is unfortunate I did not track that thread as well...if he is for real on back pedaling off this POV than maybe he has come around, but somehow I doubt it

The economic collapse of the United States began in May. The recent budget deal has accelerated the process. We are still running out of time to deal with the situation with just a small amount of pain. We're letting a scrape become a gangreenous amputation.

These facts have not changed.

the situation is bad- you can see it in the employment numbers, you can see it in the business sector, the stock market is just starting to get a whiff of it, and the dollar is starting to dip (gold is through the roof right now).

The budget deal just guaranteed the bankruptcy of the United States. Entitlements are the least of our worries-- we don't have time for the usual short-term political tricks dressed up as fixes. We're out of money for that.

So, what's gonna happen next? In my humble opinion, the economy is going to go deep into recession, the government is going to respond with more stimulus (Obama all but promised to ask for more today in his victory lap around the decaying country he is helping to destroy), the dollar will collapse, and interest rates and prices are going to skyrocket. I don't think we're talking about $125 or $150 oil- I think we're talking about $200 a barrel oil. Government will respond to that with price fixing schemes. Everything will grind to a halt. By the time most people figure out the trucks aren't bringing more food to the grocery stores, it'll be too late-- the shelves will be empty.

When? I think we have months, not years. I think it's gonna start getting very dark around Christmas. If I were you- I'd make sure you have stocks of non-perishable food and the means to hide / stash / defend it.

One of my companies just bought a couple of run down old used box trucks and we're loading them up with food-- one is full. We're gonna get some containers / truck trailers and load them up, too. One of my objectives is to be a storehouse for the community. But my objective for you all is to not need me, or anyone else.

I don't advertise it- but one thing my tenants aren't ever gonna have to worry about is a crisis. They don't know me- for the most part, we've never met. They know my property manager, and they see my company name on the lease-- but when the chips are down, I've got their back.

And they shouldn't thank me. They should thank Jesus. If it weren't for Him, I could give a crap about other people. It's my faith that drives me.

My point in this thread is you gotta make hay while the sun is shining. I don't think it's gonna be shining long. In all of human history, our little experiment of human liberty, limited government, and unalienable rights is a blip. My suspicion is once its gone, history will revert to the norm. Life will go back to being what it has been for 5,000 years before we came on the scene: short, and brutal. God did his best with us. We failed.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 31, 2011 15:44:13 GMT -5 2kids10horses said:

Actually, moon, Paul giving the amounts he's making on this example, makes it "real".

If he were to say, "you can make a living" in residential real estate, or something like that, your idea of a "living" might be different than mine.

But, if he says he make $38K doing a particular deal, and shows how it's done, well, that's information that might inspire someone to go out and see if they can duplicate it.

When I was first starting in real estate, I would pay money to attend seminars given by my local Real Estate Investor's Association. These seminars were led by experienced investors, and they would often give "real life" examples showing what they paid, what they did to fix the property up, how much that cost, how much they rented it out for or how much they sold it for, and how much did they profit.

That's what Paul is doing here. For free.

The things he said about having to give up weekends, evenings, etc. are absolutely spot on. I, too, used to earn a salary. A wage. But, I began investing in real estate in my personal hours. Rather than watch "Wheel of Fortune", I scoured the classified section looking for real estate for sale, or drove neighborhoods, or worked on a fixer upper, or met with prospective tenants, or applied for mortgages, or something. Over time, I was able to create "multiple streams of income" (rents) so that now, I have replaced my "job" with income from real estate.

And goodness knows, if I can do it, anyone can. Yes, it was hard work, and I gave up a lot of personal time, but the reward is now, I have tons of free time, and I don't worry about getting laid off.

I see Paul's post as a "If you teach a man to fish..." well, you know the rest.

Oh, and thanks for the props-- and right back at you 2/10. Good on you for getting those rents up and getting yourself out of a job (or possibly out of a job if that's your aim).

[robbase]

....and now he is re-pedaling from his back pedaling

[robbase]

when were you leaving again?

[Shirina]

And they shouldn't thank me. They should thank Jesus. If it weren't for Him, I could give a crap about other people. It's my faith that drives me.

It's nice to know your morality comes from the whip rather than the carrot.

[Driftr]

Aug 3, 2011 8:47:26 GMT -5 Shirina said:

And they shouldn't thank me. They should thank Jesus. If it weren't for Him, I could give a crap about other people. It's my faith that drives me.

It's nice to know your morality comes from the whip rather than the carrot.

You obviously don't understand that his faith is the carrot. Pity.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

There's a giant carrot- but the Word does say that fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...

[Angel!]

Aug 3, 2011 8:47:26 GMT -5 Shirina said:

And they shouldn't thank me. They should thank Jesus. If it weren't for Him, I could give a crap about other people. It's my faith that drives me.

It's nice to know your morality comes from the whip rather than the carrot.

That is kind of bizarre to say you wouldn't help people if it weren't for jesus. I care about others & it isn't because I believe some invisible dude is watching me & judging my actions.

I guess this is why some christians believe without god there would be no morality. Because they can't see themselves being good without god being a driving force behind them.

[robbase]

when were you leaving again? don't you have houses to buy/ rent or whatever? why are you wasting your time with all the wage slaves on this board?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 2, 2011 16:51:35 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 1, 2011 21:05:41 GMT -5 @robbase said:

it is interesting to see WCP back pedal....... first we were all doomed on 180 days or whatever & than I called him on it by tracking it (it's easy to predict soemthing 6 months out and then the thread is forgotten and no one remembers), as the deadline approached and passed he mysteriously softened his approach (and to his credit he EVENTUALLY admintted he was wrong)

now he seems to be back pedaling from his oppinion on those of us without our own business / multiple streams of incomes....I remember him using some borderline derogatory word for those of us with "jobs" (apparently a bad 4 letter to WCP)...it is unfortunate I did not track that thread as well...if he is for real on back pedaling off this POV than maybe he has come around, but somehow I doubt it

The economic collapse of the United States began in May. The recent budget deal has accelerated the process. We are still running out of time to deal with the situation with just a small amount of pain. We're letting a scrape become a gangreenous amputation.

These facts have not changed.

the situation is bad- you can see it in the employment numbers, you can see it in the business sector, the stock market is just starting to get a whiff of it, and the dollar is starting to dip (gold is through the roof right now).

The budget deal just guaranteed the bankruptcy of the United States. Entitlements are the least of our worries-- we don't have time for the usual short-term political tricks dressed up as fixes. We're out of money for that.

So, what's gonna happen next? In my humble opinion, the economy is going to go deep into recession, the government is going to respond with more stimulus (Obama all but promised to ask for more today in his victory lap around the decaying country he is helping to destroy), the dollar will collapse, and interest rates and prices are going to skyrocket. I don't think we're talking about $125 or $150 oil- I think we're talking about $200 a barrel oil. Government will respond to that with price fixing schemes. Everything will grind to a halt. By the time most people figure out the trucks aren't bringing more food to the grocery stores, it'll be too late-- the shelves will be empty.

When? I think we have months, not years. I think it's gonna start getting very dark around Christmas. If I were you- I'd make sure you have stocks of non-perishable food and the means to hide / stash / defend it.

One of my companies just bought a couple of run down old used box trucks and we're loading them up with food-- one is full. We're gonna get some containers / truck trailers and load them up, too. One of my objectives is to be a storehouse for the community. But my objective for you all is to not need me, or anyone else.

I don't advertise it- but one thing my tenants aren't ever gonna have to worry about is a crisis. They don't know me- for the most part, we've never met. They know my property manager, and they see my company name on the lease-- but when the chips are down, I've got their back.

And they shouldn't thank me. They should thank Jesus. If it weren't for Him, I could give a crap about other people. It's my faith that drives me.

My point in this thread is you gotta make hay while the sun is shining. I don't think it's gonna be shining long. In all of human history, our little experiment of human liberty, limited government, and unalienable rights is a blip. My suspicion is once its gone, history will revert to the norm. Life will go back to being what it has been for 5,000 years before we came on the scene: short, and brutal. God did his best with us. We failed.

i am going to archive this one in my "orwellian fanatasy" folder.

[Shirina]

There's a giant carrot- but the Word does say that fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...

So you're saying that without a God breathing down your neck, you'd have no morality?

Interesting .... and, of course, speaks volumes.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 3, 2011 14:15:46 GMT -5 Shirina said:

There's a giant carrot- but the Word does say that fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...

So you're saying that without a God breathing down your neck, you'd have no morality?

Interesting .... and, of course, speaks volumes.

No, I'm saying I have no morality now. Without God, I can do NOTHING. My own righteousness is as filthy rags to Him. The heart is desperately wicked; who can know it?

But it doesn't just apply to me, it applies to you, too.

The reason I outperform you in good works is purely the result of what God is doing in and through me, and it is not of myself at all.

[ed1066]

Aug 3, 2011 14:15:46 GMT -5 Shirina said:

There's a giant carrot- but the Word does say that fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...

So you're saying that without a God breathing down your neck, you'd have no morality?

Interesting .... and, of course, speaks volumes.

We really need a "flying over your head" smiley...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 3, 2011 10:33:25 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Aug 3, 2011 8:47:26 GMT -5 Shirina said:

It's nice to know your morality comes from the whip rather than the carrot.

That is kind of bizarre to say you wouldn't help people if it weren't for jesus. I care about others & it isn't because I believe some invisible dude is watching me & judging my actions.

I guess this is why some christians believe without god there would be no morality. Because they can't see themselves being good without god being a driving force behind them.

It's not bizarre. It's an honest assessment of myself, and of human nature in general.

Without God we can do nothing.

I notice we are an increasingly irreligious society, and that nobody talks like this anymore, but as for me-- well, I think that as a Christian, I either believe the Scriptures and what God says about me-- or I don't. What God says about me- about human beings in general is that we are all wicked and selfish as a result of the sinful nature and that we are either slaves to Christ, or to our sinful nature. So, yeah- I've opted for a life with "God breathing down my neck" and I don't think I'd be the person I am without Him. And since I'm not interested in trying because I actually love God by the power of His Holy Spirit that indwells me, and is changing me more and more to be like Him, I'll never know if it is possible to be "good" or "moral" without God. I just take God at His Word.

[robbase]

don't you have a closing, foreclosure sale, or something to go to?

[djAdvocate]

LOL!

[cereb]

OMG.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Hell is a lonely, torturous place where you'll wish you were being waterboarded, but what must be its worst feature is that it is a place of memory-- and regret. Every word, every thought, every deed of the occupants of that place haunts them-- and it never ends. OMG, indeed.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Aug 3, 2011 14:58:29 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The reason I outperform you in good works is purely the result of what God is doing in and through me, and it is not of myself at all.

Wow.

Just wow.

Boasting about your own good works is not really an effective evangelism method, Paul.

[Value Buy]

Aug 4, 2011 9:13:30 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

Aug 3, 2011 14:58:29 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The reason I outperform you in good works is purely the result of what God is doing in and through me, and it is not of myself at all.

Wow.

Just wow.

Boasting about your own good works is not really an effective evangelism method, Paul.

A good Christian knows he/she is not without "sin".
Just has to continue to "improve".
Most do try to do it.

[shelby]

Aug 4, 2011 9:19:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 4, 2011 9:13:30 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

Wow.

Just wow.

Boasting about your own good works is not really an effective evangelism method, Paul.

A good Christian knows he/she is not without "sin".
Just has to continue to "improve".
Most do try to do it.

That is great and all just some need to realize not only christians do these things. So if you(paul) are making statements about only chritians are moral or good or whatever don't cry in your cheerios when people start bashing christians. Is arrogance a christian trait?

[cme1201]

I could have sworn this was a Politics and Market discussion board. Not a board for Evangelicals or for religion bashers.

Let's actually try and keep to a subject and not throw your personal views of what is, isn't, should or shouldn't be a christian/anti-christian view.

Keep it to Politics and Markets and get your religious fill at 1. Other websites 2. Church.

Cme1201 - Moderator P&M

[floridayankee]

Aug 4, 2011 9:24:51 GMT -5 cme1201 said:

Keep it to Politics and Markets and get your religious fill at 1. Other websites 2. Church.

Can I get an AMEN?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 4, 2011 9:24:51 GMT -5 cme1201 said:

I could have sworn this was a Politics and Market discussion board. Not a board for Evangelicals or for religion bashers.

Let's actually try and keep to a subject and not throw your personal views of what is, isn't, should or shouldn't be a christian/anti-christian view.

Keep it to Politics and Markets and get your religious fill at 1. Other websites 2. Church.

Cme1201 - Moderator P&M

HALLELUJIA!! PRAISE JE>>>>>>um......

[djAdvocate]

This message has been deleted.

never mind. there is a time and place for this.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 4, 2011 9:13:30 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

Aug 3, 2011 14:58:29 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The reason I outperform you in good works is purely the result of what God is doing in and through me, and it is not of myself at all.

Wow.

Just wow.

Boasting about your own good works is not really an effective evangelism method, Paul.

You're missing the entire point. I'm not boasting at all, but admitting my own sinful nature. I accept the Biblical view of original sin, and instead of boasting about my own good works- I am agreeing with God that my own righteousness is as filthy rags, and I'm claiming the verse from 2 Corinthians 12:9 "But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

The Christian faith- for those that really seek to understand it- can only be described as counter-intuitive for the most part.

I didn't mean for this to end up a religious discussion, but I would be remiss personally-- it would be a violation of my deepest held beliefs to "brag about my good works" which is why I pointed out-- perhaps awkwardly and inarticulately (I don't have a teleprompter) essentially "To God be the Glory". Don't thank me- thank Him. That is all I meant to say in that post.