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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 10:03:30 GMT -5
Not really it is the average workers who have not faied too well since our government was taken over by Obama's so called European Socialism..which is not supposed to happen but businesses just don't think much of Obama's economic agenda, I guess?? average workers have not fared well since the 70's. Not too worry give Obama a second term and the average workers have been promised they will fare better..
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 10:08:54 GMT -5
average workers have not fared well since the 70's. Not too worry give Obama a second term and the average workers have been promised they will fare better.. if i were an average worker, i would not believe any party any longer. that is probably why the middle class has become so selfish. at least the lies sound better, now. less taxes, more jobs, and a chicken in every pot.......wait............
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2011 10:28:20 GMT -5
... average workers have not fared well since the 70's. Three key elements came about in the seventies: 1) the US advantage gained from the destruction of much of the rest of the world's manufacturing capability played out, 2) most of the "third world" had overthrown the economic colonialism that had created underdeveloped national economic systems, 3) many of the business leaders who had come of age during WWII when it was Americans against the world were retiring. The first two meant that American Corporations had to start exploiting the American worker and the third gave us business leaders who had no problem doing so.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 10:30:27 GMT -5
... average workers have not fared well since the 70's. Three key elements came about in the seventies: 1) the US advantage gained from the destruction of much of the rest of the world's manufacturing capability played out, 2) most of the "third world" had overthrown the economic colonialism that had created underdeveloped national economic systems, 3) many of the business leaders who had come of age during WWII when it was Americans against the world were retiring. The first two meant that American Corporations had to start exploiting the American worker and the third gave us business leaders who had no problem doing so. there is also the failure of organized labor to make political gains throughout the last 1/4 century, and the rise of selfishness (or the fall of altruism, if you prefer) as the centerpiece of public policy. also, the decline of the Soviet Union as an effective restraint on our vision for the world has undermined the strength of natural isolationism that many Americans feel and led to costly expansionism, which has drained resources from the progressive coffers.
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Post by ugonow on Jul 22, 2011 10:47:55 GMT -5
Examples of which would be?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 10:52:56 GMT -5
Examples of which would be? Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 10:55:54 GMT -5
Examples of which would be? Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored. the DSA typically back ANY Democrat- no matter how moderate.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 10:58:05 GMT -5
the DSA typically back ANY Democrat- no matter how moderate. Obama a moderate dem??? Don't think so AFL-CIO Boss Richard Trumka is lauded by European Socialists as they push for a global tax on financial transactions. And Trumka is a frequent guest at the White House and one of Obama's trusted advisors for Labor issues as you know..??
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 11:04:59 GMT -5
the DSA typically back ANY Democrat- no matter how moderate. Obama a moderate dem??? Don't think so you're right. i should have said moderate republican. PI- i didn't actually claim that Obama was a moderate Democrat. my claim was that the fact that DSA supported him is no proof otherwise. and i don't know Trumka.....and have to leave for work....
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Post by ugonow on Jul 22, 2011 11:12:45 GMT -5
I still see no examples of Obamas socialist takover. To me a piece of socialist legislation would look like the legislation Palin bragged about in the last election,in which "Alaska shared the wealth" [her words]. Her windfall tax on companies that is redistributed to citizens is a lot more socialist in nature than any of Obamas legislations I can think of.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 11:18:51 GMT -5
I still see no examples of Obamas socialist takover. Ok but give Obama another another year and he might be more sucessful with his European Socialism...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 11:23:40 GMT -5
I still see no examples of Obamas socialist takover.
And a certain percentage of Obama followers won't see that he is a socialist even as they are installing busts of Karl Marx in parks. It's a sad but true fact.
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Post by ugonow on Jul 22, 2011 11:27:04 GMT -5
Which parks did he install busts of Karl Marx in?
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 22, 2011 11:57:57 GMT -5
Profit taxes reduces the amount of money available to make purchases which, in turn, produce more profits which can be taxed. Capital purchases presumably may be tax free since the purchases can be depreciated, but that doesn't occur immediately and so there is the cost of capital to be considered... Taxes allegedly are spent by the government so that there would be no difference between after tax profits being spent and government spending ~ but much of tax money is absorbed in government expenses and not only is not equivalent to private expenditures, but is frequently spent to satisfy political constituencies which will not contribute to the growth of the economy to the degree that purchases freely made by those who earned the money.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2011 12:06:43 GMT -5
I still see no examples of Obamas socialist takover.And a certain percentage of Obama followers won't see that he is a socialist even as they are installing busts of Karl Marx in parks. It's a sad but true fact. And that "certain percentage" is zero.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 12:16:06 GMT -5
I still see no examples of Obamas socialist takeover.
And a certain percentage of Obama followers won't see that he is a socialist even as they are installing busts of Karl Marx in parks. It's a sad but true fact.
Which parks did he install busts of Karl Marx in?
Great comeback ugonow! I give you an A+ in snappy responses.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 12:40:02 GMT -5
still see no examples of Obamas socialist takover.
And a certain percentage of Obama followers won't see that he is a socialist even as they are installing busts of Karl Marx in parks. It's a sad but true fact. And that "certain percentage" is zero.Actually I've lately seen proof that the certain percentage has to be at least 3%.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 12:52:55 GMT -5
I still see no examples of Obamas socialist takover.And a certain percentage of Obama followers won't see that he is a socialist even as they are installing busts of Karl Marx in parks. It's a sad but true fact. it is sad. but it is neither true, nor fact.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 12:54:20 GMT -5
Profit taxes reduces the amount of money available to make purchases no it doesn't. you don't make purchases with after tax dollars, unless you are a complete IMBICILE. you make them BEFORE. are you saying that American businesspeople are imbiciles?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 12:56:17 GMT -5
that is also untrue for the average small business, due to section 179. you can immediately depreciate the cost of an acquired asset, and take it as a current expense.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 22, 2011 13:21:08 GMT -5
If you say so.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2011 13:59:01 GMT -5
i do. it is poor tax planning, and totally stupid. any businessman that uses post tax dollars for purchasing has no sympathy from me.
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Post by formerexpat on Jul 23, 2011 15:44:36 GMT -5
You've got to completely destroy something before you can take it over from an American public that used to largely be independent and not needing of hand holding from its government.
Seems to be the overall intent of the Obama administration to destroy most of the aspects of America that made it the most successful and powerful nation in the world.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 23, 2011 17:27:53 GMT -5
What I am waiting to hear is how Obama will justify to the masses of unemployed that they should vote for him for a second term. He promised jobs but it is going the wrong way. The vote of the long term unemployed is going to be crucial in this next election. The unemployed will be a large voting block.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 23, 2011 22:32:47 GMT -5
What I am waiting to hear is how Obama will justify to the masses of unemployed that they should vote for him for a second term. He promised jobs but it is going the wrong way. The vote of the long term unemployed is going to be crucial in this next election. The unemployed will be a large voting block. handyman: That's about the long and short of it and I totally agree with what Steve Wynn said and don't intend to nit pick every sentence. One of the highest States in foreclosures and he said people are living in fear as to what's going to happen next with this President? Actually, we all are! 9.2% unemployment when some States are hovering in double digits? His campaign words will not be charismatic anymore, but hollow promises. k to you...
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Post by diamonds on Jul 23, 2011 23:50:36 GMT -5
I wonder if Obama realized when he told the American people not to go to Vegas if he was conscious of the fact that the LVCC is located there which has the largest convention venues in the country? Listing all major trade shows, events, exhibitions, seminars and conferences. Millions of dollars were lost initially when he said that as well as in the hotel industry. Imagine telling people what State not to go to when it is business related. I gather he was referring to the gaming industry, but still not his call to make!
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Post by diamonds on Jul 24, 2011 0:05:03 GMT -5
Well it is hard to bash them when they are just stating the obvious. I have been saying all along he has not a clue. They say he is brilliant but that does not always translate in to leadership of a nation. He might have been a "brilliant" community organizer; he has been a failure as President. We've heard it from the horses' mouths, so to speak and they're not ALL Republicans. Now the question will be whether the liberals/progressives REALLY want job creation so that all the people suffering in this country's crappy economy can get back to work (with the added benefit of increasing the tax base) OR whether they will re-elect their "hope and change" guy just because they can't stand the idea of having a Republican in office. Anyone with half a brain could tell that Obama did not have the experience to get the job done BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED. After the election, I "hoped" that despite his glaring lack of experience that he could get through 4 years without too much damage. Can the country really handle 4 more years of this guy? ... Excellent! Can the country handle the rest of his term in office with his addiction to spending? k to you....
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Post by ugonow on Jul 24, 2011 12:46:10 GMT -5
Such as? Capitalism? Seems to me the market and quartely profits are better than when he was seated. What aspects of America that made it the most successful and powerful nation is Obama intentionally destroying?
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Post by diamonds on Jul 24, 2011 17:33:37 GMT -5
Are you serious? The last Stimulus was supposed to prop up the economy. The summer of recovery came and went without jobs created. Shovel ready failed. It went to the lending isnstitutions and not to prop up the economy or free up that money to small businesses, etc. What about all the alternative energy options? What about being politically correct and not saying it like it is? Can't use the word torture, must say enhanced interrogation? Trying to get "Under God" out of the pledge of allegiance? His behind closed doors, creating 2700 pages of ObamaCare which only a few read and went against what the general population wanted. MO telling us the proper way to feed our children, like we don't know? Being surrounded by tax-cheats like Geither and Immelt. Eric Holder admitting he didn't know what "Fast and Furious" was all about? What about the illegal issue or is that under racial profiling again? Going green, well who can afford green cars? He's disconnected with the people and his arrogance is blinding. All he cares about is borrowing, not cognisant of the consequences down the road.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 17:38:18 GMT -5
yes
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