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Post by Angel! on Jul 15, 2011 13:10:50 GMT -5
Ok, I have to point out that if he is talking about those under 25, then they aren't even Gen Xers. Gen Xers are all 30+. So whoever wrote the article should have done a little more research & maybe fox screwed up too - I tried to watch the clip, but got no volume.
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Post by decoy409 on Jul 15, 2011 13:15:45 GMT -5
Just retract the slide and start it over as it does the same for me. I don't take to heart 'anything' until I have thouroughly done my best to go over it. Then it is ,'Read-Watch-Listen-Ask' and form your own conclusion.
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Post by decoy409 on Jul 15, 2011 13:18:12 GMT -5
robbase, you summed that up well. txbo, Got it. Thank you.
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Post by maui1 on Jul 15, 2011 13:51:19 GMT -5
Fox ditto heads.
i like stossel and freedom watch, a lot!
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Post by Angel! on Jul 15, 2011 13:56:27 GMT -5
Ok, got the volume to work - fox does specifically talk about the younger than 25 group & keeps referring to them as gen Xers. Fox screwed up, they aren't gen Xers & I think it is a common complaint that Gen Yers are an entitled group of people that expect everything handed to them.
To bad people are getting upset at greenspan for insulting an entire generation he wasn't even talking about. Too bad he never actually even called them lazy or stupid, but just said that signs show we may need to be concerned about the productivity of the future workforce.
Fox making a big deal over nothing & then getting all his words & meaning twisted.
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Post by skweet on Jul 15, 2011 14:13:12 GMT -5
The OP is interesting to me on a number of levels. #1 you claim that people call you a communist and indicate that Greenspan shares similar ideas with you, but later on state that a number of capitalists (like gamblers stealing money from decent people) are evil and Greenspan is just pointing out that Gen Xers aren't successfully capitalists. It is like Greenspan saying X, and you saying I agree with Greenspan that it is the opposite of X. The second thing that is interesting is that GenX is 35 - 50 year olds, the most successful workers in today's economy. The generation before them is having a horrible time keeping, or recovering their past positions, maybe age discrimination, and I am not accusing them specifically, of being lazy or stupid. The generation that follows Gen-X are having a hard time getting their foot through the door, primarily because the economy has become more efficient, and they don't have experienced to get hired. So I think it is funny that, when talking about the US's, currently, most successful employees he calls them lazy and stupid. I wonder what he would call the less successful generations. Finally, I agree with Greenspan. The US, pretty much run by GenX at this time, has become lazy and stupid for the price that they demand for their time. Companies have learned that they can hire the equivalent product by immigrants and out-sourcing for a cheaper price. It is their duty, to the end consumer of their product or service, to bring that product or service at the cheapest price possible. American laborers need to improve their product (a days work) significantly, or bring their price in line. If they don't then they lose their income source. BTW our tax code is driving the capital investors overseas, too, and we may be complaining that foreign companies won't hire us.
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Post by workpublic on Jul 15, 2011 14:37:33 GMT -5
-because an "F" had such a negative connation they now use "E" instead---I was like; WTF?? I still am like; WTF?? [image]
don't you mean WTE? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 15, 2011 14:48:58 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the "real deal" in your post *20, txbo. I rarely bother with articles posted from blogs for this very reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 14:57:57 GMT -5
The basic premise is that our "new" graduates are not up to par
We have millions dropping out of high school every year.....
There are jobs available.....but it is no longer the blue collar high school educated that will get the decent paying jobs. Those days are gone...and are not coming back
We need to educate our youth that what "used" to be good enough....is not enough anymore
We need hard science...and high tech....and that is how the "better" mousetraps will be designed and built
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Post by decoy409 on Jul 15, 2011 15:01:52 GMT -5
gdgyva, it is too bad that the upper hand was sold out down the road long ago.
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 15, 2011 15:03:18 GMT -5
Yep- he screwed up- he is referring to generation Y- or as I call them generation wasted load. We really screwed up these kids and they are in for a real shock once they leave the nest. In the workplace they are in serious trouble- we have them around here and for some reason they think it is perfectly ok to text each other all day, in front of their supervisors, whatever. They may be tech savvy, but the common sense and basic job skills are nowhere to be found. They don't want to work and complain about overtime but yet expect a giant salary. Sorry- we can't pay it anymore- go see the boomers who have bled us (GenX) dry for the last couple of decades- the ones with the pensions, lifelong health care, and all of the breaks that we are paying for. The same ones that are now voting to make sure we do not get what they had.
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 15, 2011 15:27:54 GMT -5
Yep- he screwed up- he is referring to generation Y- or as I call them generation wasted load. “Baby boomers are being replaced by groups of young workers who have regrettably scored rather poorly in international educational match-ups over the last two decades,” said Greenspan. “The average income of U.S. households headed by 25-year-olds and younger has been declining relative to the average income of the baby boomer population. This is a reasonably good indication that the productivity of the younger part of our workforce is declining relative to the level of productivity achieved by the retiring baby boomers. This raises some major concerns about the productive skills of our future U.S. labor force.” IMHO, I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about. GenX follows the boomers and are likely the ones replacing retiring boomers. GenX is normally defined as born in the range of mid 60's to around 1980 depending on which source you look at. Using those numbers the last genXer would now be 31 (give or take) He goes on to say that "average income of U.S. households headed by 25-year-olds and younger has been declining." Someone 25 or younger is not a genXer.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 15, 2011 15:31:01 GMT -5
IMHO, I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about. GenX follows the boomers and are likely the ones replacing retiring boomers. I assumed he meant within the workforce as a whole - boomers are retiring & the 22 yr olds are coming in. I didn't take it to mean that 22 yr olds were replacing 63 yr olds in their specific job title. Like you say, that wouldn't make a lot of sense.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 15, 2011 15:43:37 GMT -5
Has there ever been a time in history when the older generation hasn't said this of the younger generation? No, but today, the current younger generation has been babied, coddled like no other in history by helicopter parents. God forbid they lose a baseball/soccer game... get a poor grade in school, and heaven forbid they do not feel good about themselves. The generation that was coddled was the boomer generation. They truly were the first American generation that never really had to grow up, and so they didn't. Their parents did virtually all the heavy lifting, and their parents saw the worst of humanity. Then, in what began as a well-intentioned desire to have their kids grow up in a world that never again saw the challenges of the poverty of the great depression, and the horrors of World War II, they raised a generation that basically never understood, and never appreciated what they had been handed. And their kids? Ha. By the time you have the coddled generation coddling the Gen Xers....you're talking all kinds of hopeless.
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Post by txbo on Jul 15, 2011 15:44:12 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the "real deal" in your post *20, txbo. I rarely bother with articles posted from blogs for this very reason. You’re welcome; by the way, I never post anything from blogs.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2011 15:54:36 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 15, 2011 16:00:34 GMT -5
This distorted headline is what you get watching Fox ditto heads. This is the actual quote. Speaking of distorted...."Ditto-heads" refers to listeners of the Rush Limbaugh radio show and has nothing to do with Fox. And 'Ditto Head' really just means that a person enjoys listening to the Rush Limbaugh show, it doesn't mean they agree. It came about as a means of saving on-air time-- instead of every caller saying the obligatory, "love the show" they just said "dittos".
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2011 16:06:40 GMT -5
Speaking of distorted...."Ditto-heads" refers to listeners of the Rush Limbaugh radio show and has nothing to do with Fox. And 'Ditto Head' really just means that a person enjoys listening to the Rush Limbaugh show, it doesn't mean they agree. It came about as a means of saving on-air time-- instead of every caller saying the obligatory, "love the show" they just said "dittos". from the urban dictionary: 1. Dittohead 249 up, 78 down While the term may have originated by Limbaugh encouraging people who enjoyed the show to just say "ditto", the word has now evolved to mean a blind follower of Rush's twisted logic. from yawiktionary: # One who agrees with an idea mindlessly, especially those who agree because they are supporters of the person who started the idea # Someone who is a fan of Rush Limbaugh's radio program from allwords.com: 1. (context, US, slang, pejorative) One who agrees with an idea mindlessly, especially those who agree because they are supporter, supporters of the person who started the idea. 2. (context, US, slang) Someone who is a fan of w:Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh's radio program. 3. (context, US, slang, pejorative) A person who agrees with Rush Limbaugh unquestioningly.
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Post by formerexpat on Jul 15, 2011 19:35:58 GMT -5
I've met people from each generation in my short life that were lazy, stupid and unproductive. These people also generally die earlier too. Just natural selection working it's way through humanity.
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 15, 2011 20:18:49 GMT -5
If nature wins out we are going to be overrun with dumbasses.
That reminds me of an outer limits/zone episode where a child was sweating an upcoming test for the government- hoping to do well- exept that doing well really meant not being to smart- cuz if you were smart it was your ass.
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Post by txbo on Jul 16, 2011 15:23:28 GMT -5
They include satellite telemetry that can tell the company whether the trucks have veered from their optimum routes, whether engines are idling, the temperature of refrigeration units, whether all doors are closed... They are presently adapting technology from consumer use to truck use. This technology will show them every potential parking spot in NYC in real time. Not as impressive as it sounds this technology is already available and in use, they are adapting it for company use.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jul 16, 2011 15:58:26 GMT -5
I may be lazy. I may be unproductive. But I'm not stupid. ;D
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Post by ameiko on Jul 17, 2011 3:07:35 GMT -5
i just love it when frumpy elitists tell us what we deserve. so refreshing. Something we can agree on! Will miracles ever cease?!?! ;D
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 17, 2011 6:50:13 GMT -5
The bottom line is that he's right. I've been saying this about the American workforce in general. After WWII when the US was the 'last man standing' after a brutal fight, and virtually the only country with any industrial base left to meet world demand for goods and services in peacetime, we enjoyed a period of 30 to 50 years with a tremendous advantage. Workers were therefore in demand and wages for an average worker rose to levels not seen previously in human history.
Now that the rest of the world has caught up with us from an industrial standpoint, and technology has evolved to permit many jobs in the new economy to be done remotely-- the US worker is competing with the whole world.
Wages have, and will continue to correct accordingly.
It actually has very little to do with our work ethic and level of education. Fact is, worker bees just aren't worth that much. Unfortunately, the illusion that employees are owed a living hasn't been fully dispelled in America yet. It's not something Americans fully grasp yet, and even when the majority 'get it', it won't be a truth that is easily accepted.
For obvious reasons, it's not something you're going to hear a political class say outloud because they have an aversion to unpleasant truths. It tends to be a career-ender for them to tell people the truth. So, it's encouraging to hear someone say it outloud-- even if it's someone I don't particularly like.
There's a lot coming down right now-- the American bubble is slowly but surely being burst. There's a whole world out there beyond our borders and it's itching, clawing, and scratching just for a taste of what we now enjoy. American politicians trying to buffer the reality by spending us into bankruptcy and promising entitlements and benefits they can't possibly deliver on, are putting us at an even bigger disadvantage.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 17, 2011 9:42:56 GMT -5
The bottom line is that he's right. I've been saying this about the American workforce in general. After WWII when the US was the 'last man standing' after a brutal fight, and virtually the only country with any industrial base left to meet world demand for goods and services in peacetime, we enjoyed a period of 30 to 50 years with a tremendous advantage. Workers were therefore in demand and wages for an average worker rose to levels not seen previously in human history. Now that the rest of the world has caught up with us from an industrial standpoint, and technology has evolved to permit many jobs in the new economy to be done remotely-- the US worker is competing with the whole world. Wages have, and will continue to correct accordingly. It actually has very little to do with our work ethic and level of education. Fact is, worker bees just aren't worth that much. Unfortunately, the illusion that employees are owed a living hasn't been fully dispelled in America yet. It's not something Americans fully grasp yet, and even when the majority 'get it', it won't be a truth that is easily accepted. For obvious reasons, it's not something you're going to hear a political class say outloud because they have an aversion to unpleasant truths. It tends to be a career-ender for them to tell people the truth. So, it's encouraging to hear someone say it outloud-- even if it's someone I don't particularly like. There's a lot coming down right now-- the American bubble is slowly but surely being burst. There's a whole world out there beyond our borders and it's itching, clawing, and scratching just for a taste of what we now enjoy. American politicians trying to buffer the reality by spending us into bankruptcy and promising entitlements and benefits they can't possibly deliver on, are putting us at an even bigger disadvantage. Paul- for once i agree with you. however, i think the "spending into bankrupsy" is neither accurate nor related to our tidal shift in workforce. rather, i think i think the current crisis is due to the corporate elite being well aware of the end game and doing the largest money grab in history. and this will keep happening. the S&L scandal was the first in a series of money grabs that will leave the working class in the kind of vulnerable position they were in the 19th century, imo.
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Post by txbo on Jul 17, 2011 10:25:19 GMT -5
The bottom line is that he's right. I've been saying this about the American workforce in general. After WWII when the US was the 'last man standing' after a brutal fight, and virtually the only country with any industrial base left to meet world demand for goods and services in peacetime, we enjoyed a period of 30 to 50 years with a tremendous advantage. Workers were therefore in demand and wages for an average worker rose to levels not seen previously in human history. Now that the rest of the world has caught up with us from an industrial standpoint, and technology has evolved to permit many jobs in the new economy to be done remotely-- the US worker is competing with the whole world. Wages have, and will continue to correct accordingly. It actually has very little to do with our work ethic and level of education. Fact is, worker bees just aren't worth that much. Unfortunately, the illusion that employees are owed a living hasn't been fully dispelled in America yet. It's not something Americans fully grasp yet, and even when the majority 'get it', it won't be a truth that is easily accepted. For obvious reasons, it's not something you're going to hear a political class say outloud because they have an aversion to unpleasant truths. It tends to be a career-ender for them to tell people the truth. So, it's encouraging to hear someone say it outloud-- even if it's someone I don't particularly like. There's a lot coming down right now-- the American bubble is slowly but surely being burst. There's a whole world out there beyond our borders and it's itching, clawing, and scratching just for a taste of what we now enjoy. American politicians trying to buffer the reality by spending us into bankruptcy and promising entitlements and benefits they can't possibly deliver on, are putting us at an even bigger disadvantage. Wow, Paul sometimes you amaze me, are you sure you are not a progressive.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 17, 2011 16:36:10 GMT -5
The bottom line is that he's right. I've been saying this about the American workforce in general. After WWII when the US was the 'last man standing' after a brutal fight, and virtually the only country with any industrial base left to meet world demand for goods and services in peacetime, we enjoyed a period of 30 to 50 years with a tremendous advantage. Workers were therefore in demand and wages for an average worker rose to levels not seen previously in human history. Now that the rest of the world has caught up with us from an industrial standpoint, and technology has evolved to permit many jobs in the new economy to be done remotely-- the US worker is competing with the whole world. Wages have, and will continue to correct accordingly. It actually has very little to do with our work ethic and level of education. Fact is, worker bees just aren't worth that much. Unfortunately, the illusion that employees are owed a living hasn't been fully dispelled in America yet. It's not something Americans fully grasp yet, and even when the majority 'get it', it won't be a truth that is easily accepted. For obvious reasons, it's not something you're going to hear a political class say outloud because they have an aversion to unpleasant truths. It tends to be a career-ender for them to tell people the truth. So, it's encouraging to hear someone say it outloud-- even if it's someone I don't particularly like. There's a lot coming down right now-- the American bubble is slowly but surely being burst. There's a whole world out there beyond our borders and it's itching, clawing, and scratching just for a taste of what we now enjoy. American politicians trying to buffer the reality by spending us into bankruptcy and promising entitlements and benefits they can't possibly deliver on, are putting us at an even bigger disadvantage. Wow, Paul sometimes you amaze me, are you sure you are not a progressive. Nope. I can see reality and be of the opinion that we don't "deserve" to lose, and recognize the fact that an American unshackled would beat the rest of the world hands down. Most of what is holding us back is self-imposed. I believe we could not only be energy self-sufficient, but a net energy exporter. I think we could not only compete, but win. Progressives are the ones in the way. Unions clinging to the dream of 1950's wages are one of the obstacles to the United States competing globally.
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