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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 14:52:45 GMT -5
It's kind of hypocritical don't you think? Hypocrites...Politics...Politicians. You say poe-tay-toe, I say poe-tah-toe...... Haha...nice. ;D
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fairlycrazy23
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jul 14, 2011 17:46:50 GMT -5
If this had made it to jury, it might have been a good candidate for jury nullification.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 14, 2011 19:28:04 GMT -5
If the government does NOT re try Clemens you can bet he will be on TV boasting about he told us so that he was innocent and never used steroids...what a joke this one was but what do you expect from our government?? The same thing happened with Barry Bonds and he was not found guilty of using steroids but just lying his butt off...hell Barry did that all of his baseball career so not a big deal..
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handyman2
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 14, 2011 20:21:22 GMT -5
The said thing is that with Clemons and Bonds their chances at the Hall of Fame is nil due to all this. They both were great ball players aside from these issues.
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Post by Driftr on Jul 15, 2011 8:08:20 GMT -5
I didn't know A-Rod was still expected to be HoF but I will admit I have not been following him much (other than enjoying his failures in the playoffs) since he 'took his talents' to the Big Apple. I wouldn't vote for the fucking cheater.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 15, 2011 8:29:13 GMT -5
Roger Cossack said last night on ESPN that the Judge has to decide if Clemens can be tried again since there is a legal issue about Double Jeopardy that his lawyers will use to dismiss all charges and another trial..
The Federal Prosecutors who screwed up this case are going to catch a lot of heat for wasting time and taxpayers money....
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handyman2
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 15, 2011 8:49:20 GMT -5
Do you suppose that the prosecutor's screwed up the case on purpose just to get it over with? Think about it. High level prosecutor's had to have know better.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 15, 2011 9:43:36 GMT -5
Do you suppose that the prosecutor's screwed up the case on purpose just to get it over with? Think about it. High level prosecutor's had to have know better. I don't think so because from what little I do know the Federal Prosecutors and Congress wanted to nail Roger Clemens to the wall because apparently the evidence against him in this case was so overwhelming... ESPN seems to be on top of this case if you are interested and they will probably have it as their leading news story again today if you are interested.. I think Clemens belongs behind bars which would throw some fear into the athletics who are still juicing up including college and high school kids which I know of first hand.. Steroids are still being distributed by some fitness trainers in Golds and 24Hr Fitness but it is a dirty little secret only trainers will talk about if they are pressed on this issue especially out here in the SF Bay Area. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Work Buzz: How can tell if someone is lying to you? What verbal/nonverbal cues should you look for? Bill Rosenthal: Spotting a liar at work requires the same kind of observation that spotting a liar anywhere else does. Look for signs of discomfort, because most people feel guilty about lying. [These signs] can include avoiding eye contact, making excessive eye contact (which liars might do to "prove" they're being honest), being in a hurry to end the conversation, even pointing their feet in the direction of a getaway. Look also to see if the person is being evasive when answering a question, perhaps by feigning inability to remember something that should easily be remembered. Still another sign is the use of suspect data or excessive data when answering a simple question. Of course, a promise that sounds too good to be true probably isn't true.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 15, 2011 11:09:58 GMT -5
I read about a year ago by an LA sports reporter I cannot remember his name that one problem that the government had was those that were expected to testify against Clemons had some serious credibility issues of their own. Sounds a bit like the Anthony case does it not?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 15, 2011 11:21:50 GMT -5
My feelings on Roger is it never had to happen. He is/was a HOF shoo in before he got into this situation of the steroids,[unless he had been in them for years , which I don't believe].
It was his own lieing under oath..his own fault that got him into this situation. I don't understand how the prosecutors could screw up so badly , knowing the directions the Judge in the case put down before the trial started and after too..yet they still went ahead and presented evidence that he said was inadmissible.
Whether they have a new trial or not, he will never, IMHO, get into the Hall now , and it did send a message for any one else who is called before these investigating committees, do not lie..they treat these things very seriously.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 15, 2011 11:32:10 GMT -5
Why does anyone care if sports players use steriods? Who cares? Why not legalize them and allow them to use them under doctor supervision? How is that any different than any other things we do to enhance performance? They are grown men if they want to use them, why not? Or have a steroid league and non steroid league. Lots of athletes are using them, but in general we continue the pretense that they don't. Can you really look at anyone in WWE or anything who doesn't use them? Men don't naturally have cut muscles like that without them. But, why is Congress involved in any of this? That in itself is ridiculous. I don't agree with you in your statement above but will pose a question to you. Down the road in time, possible steroids might be a beneficial treatment , a acceptable way to improve normal peoples healing from injury's, make ones body healthier, just another advance ment in medicine..naturally after years of study and lab work and testing , where the bad side affects as are present in most medications if abused , are there even today. There are side effects on most RX's today, think the cholesterol meds, have to check ones liver, the same on the high blood pressure meds so many of us take..always potential problems , thus the blood tests done during the year to watch out for these events and problems.. Possible Steroids too will become a normal drug prescribed to the populace , even with the side effects of improving performance, but if so, IMHO, I believe it's years down the road.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 15, 2011 15:10:09 GMT -5
I read about a year ago by an LA sports reporter I cannot remember his name that one problem that the government had was those that were expected to testify against Clemons had some serious credibility issues of their own. Sounds a bit like the Anthony case does it not? That might have been Roger's long time fitness trainer..who had some credibility issues..
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 16, 2011 5:54:35 GMT -5
Why does anyone care if sports players use steroids? Who cares? Why not legalize them and allow them to use them under doctor supervising? How is that any different than any other things we do to enhance performance? They are grown men if they want to use them, why not? Or have a steroid league and non steroid league. Lots of athletes are using them, but in general we continue the pretense that they don't. Can you really look at anyone in WWE or anything who doesn't use them? Men don't naturally have cut muscles like that without them. But, why is Congress involved in any of this? That in itself is ridiculous. Some sports so called athletes do juice up but they have to take physicals that may reveal the use of steroids. However wrestlers, and body builders do indeed use steroids and some are NOT tested or the tests are a farce. But when an athlete flunks a test for steroids and then lies about their use or tries to cover their use then the sport becomes tainted .. And when the government gets involved and does their investigations it means that athletes who are caught lying to the Feds face a violations of our laws...and a few athletes have gone to jail for this ..East Germany athletes juiced for years and won a lot of Olympic Medals which was a known fact by other Olympic athletes who just dealt with it. I don't know if I answered your questions or not but I know guys who used steroids at Golds Gym @ ten years ago to help with their workouts and recover from injuries but some abused their use of steroids and faced serious medical issues IE kidney failure, heart problems, and other issues.. But steroids are a banned substance in most sports and those who use them are cheating or violating the rules for that sport... but that doesn't stop some athletes who try to game the system and use them. We had some muscle heads at Golds who liked to compete in bench pressing a lot of weight so when they used steroids they were able to press a lot more weight than before they used .. I know guys who struggled with bench pressing @300lbs but after using steroids they could bench press @350 to 400 lbs so they were hooked because bench pressing weights was what some muscle heads lived for or the center of their lives along with building body mass.. Every day at Golds muscle heads would brag about how much weight they could bench press which they naturally obsessed about 24/7.
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