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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 12:35:31 GMT -5
How about 1) Negotiate drug prices with pharma or re-import from Canada. 2) Revise the pay scale to better promote a preventative model (don't pay specialists so much more than fam doc... allow x-rays etc. to be housed in general practice and not specialist...) 3) Add end of life planning to the things we pay for... everyone should have paperwork filed with their expectations and desires in the event of...
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 6, 2011 13:27:45 GMT -5
Filed with whom?
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 6, 2011 13:37:01 GMT -5
How about 1) Negotiate drug prices with pharma or re-import from Canada. We'd love to, but it will never happen. You can thank our government, you know...the one that is made up of the people and elected by the people....for killing any chance of that in order to get Obamacare shoved through...similar to the way Bush got PhRMA support for the Medicare drug benefit. These people don't give a rats ass about us. From the liberal's own HuffPo in 2009: www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/white-house-confirms-deal_n_254408.htmlEarlier in the week, there were reports that Obama had promised to oppose any congressional attempt to exact further money from the massive pharmaceutical industry, which would include allowing Medicare to negotiate for lower prices or import cheaper drugs from Canada -- two major priorities for congressional Democrats.
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Post by zipity on Jul 6, 2011 14:31:45 GMT -5
When you say you want the government to go after fraud understand what you are asking for, in the short term cost will rise so the government can hire the small army of investigators to root out fraudulent claims, then come the additional police to arrest them, lawyers to prosecute them..... Like many of the laws already on the books, if you don't hire people to enforce them they don't get enforced.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 6, 2011 14:46:33 GMT -5
When you say you want the government to go after fraud understand what you are asking for, in the short term cost will rise so the government can hire the small army of investigators to root out fraudulent claims, then come the additional police to arrest them, lawyers to prosecute them..... Like many of the laws already on the books, if you don't hire people to enforce them they don't get enforced. Zipity don't forget what you and I might think is fraud and corruption in our Federal and State Government is deemed business as usual by Liberals....I used California as just one example because this issue was on the front page today in the San Francisco Chronicle...so when a liberal newspaper does a story on these outrageous salaries for state and city government workers they are hoping the voters out here will get together and do something to get our elected officials to do their job.. How many more cities like Bell CA do we have out here?? The CA Attorney General needs to answer that basic question, I think..?? Don't you??
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Post by formerexpat on Jul 6, 2011 14:48:10 GMT -5
Why does the government need to hire any of these positions? How about contracting them out appropriately like the private insurance industry.
Maybe that's what you meant but the cost of doing this would be less than the fraud found in year one; so an instant cost savings. Otherwise, you don't continue to work with those fraud investigators.
Insurance companies don't spend that money foolishly - there is a cost savings gained from their fraud investigations.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 6, 2011 14:56:23 GMT -5
How about 1) Negotiate drug prices with pharma or re-import from Canada. 2) Revise the pay scale to better promote a preventative model (don't pay specialists so much more than fam doc... allow x-rays etc. to be housed in general practice and not specialist...) 3) Add end of life planning to the things we pay for... everyone should have paperwork filed with their expectations and desires in the event of... I agree with all of these also, I say put yours and mine together and they will save a junk load. Also if people would just take care of themselves like less smoking, drinking and eating processed foods so much care wouldn't be needed because people would get sick less.
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 6, 2011 14:56:52 GMT -5
We'd love to, but it will never happen. You can thank our government, you know...the one that is made up of the people and elected by the people....for killing any chance of that in order to get Obamacare shoved through...similar to the way Bush got PhRMA support for the Medicare drug benefit. These people don't give a rats ass about us. Of course we can- Pharma and AHIP wrote the majority of the plan- a deal with the devil. Now Americans can continue to subsidize the cost of pharmeceuticals for the rest of the industrialized world that figured out long ago you don't make deals with snakes. Speaking of Bush's deal, right after it passed, the lead pusher of it- Billy Tauzin- went to work as- wait for it- the head of Pharma- and- wait for it- helped negotiate the reform bill! He is just another health care millionaire standing in the way of real reform.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 6, 2011 15:16:59 GMT -5
We'd love to, but it will never happen. You can thank our government, you know...the one that is made up of the people and elected by the people....for killing any chance of that in order to get Obamacare shoved through...similar to the way Bush got PhRMA support for the Medicare drug benefit. These people don't give a rats ass about us. Of course we can- Pharma and AHIP wrote the majority of the plan- a deal with the devil. Now Americans can continue to subsidize the cost of pharmeceuticals for the rest of the industrialized world that figured out long ago you don't make deals with snakes. Speaking of Bush's deal, right after it passed, the lead pusher of it- Billy Tauzin- went to work as- wait for it- the head of Pharma- and- wait for it- helped negotiate the reform bill! He is just another health care millionaire standing in the way of real reform. I agree, Pharma needs to be knocked down a few notches. They are the #1 lobbyist in Washington. I think they are catching up to the power of the Banks. Seriously, look at all these darn pharma commercials that have been blooming the past 10 years. Hear this will help you with your cholesterol but it will possibly cause you to have 25 other health issues, oh and if you have any of these 15 issues don't take it. I don't watch much television but when I see these commercials I want to throw something at my 46" flat panel.
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 6, 2011 20:06:33 GMT -5
Also notable- a lot of the other countries do not allow pharma to advertise drugs on TV. I honestly don't see much difference anymore between the local crack dealer and the pharma people other than legal status and advertising.
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Post by cme1201 on Jul 7, 2011 9:11:06 GMT -5
Also notable- a lot of the other countries do not allow pharma to advertise drugs on TV. I honestly don't see much difference anymore between the local crack dealer and the pharma people other than legal status and advertising. What I find noteable is the fact that in 2007 2007 Democratic Supermajority and yet congress wouldn't authorize the FDA to collect fees. www.fdanews.com/newsletter/article?articleId=103121&issueId=11214FDA: No User Fees for Voluntary DTC Ad Review Program The FDA will not start its direct-to-consumer (DTC) advertisement user fee program because Congress did not authorize the agency to collect the fees.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 9:16:30 GMT -5
So... You would like pharma to have a means of more directly funding the body which is meant to govern it?
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Post by cme1201 on Jul 7, 2011 9:46:19 GMT -5
So... You would like pharma to have a means of more directly funding the body which is meant to govern it? Yup, I'd like to see them pay the 41,000$ per ad submitted, and if the Ad is misleading then it will not air, as opposed to "helping" congress write the Healthcare Law and Medicare Prescription drug plans.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jul 7, 2011 13:01:05 GMT -5
"Obama Aide On Social Security Cut Story: It 'Overshoots The Runway' (UPDATED)" www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/social-security-cuts-debt_n_892070.htmlWASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is pushing back against a Wednesday night report that the president is prepared to offer cuts to Social Security as part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling. "The story overshoots the runway," said a senior administration official. "The President said in the State of the Union that he wanted a bipartisan process to strengthen Social Security in a balanced way that preserves the promise of the program and doesn't slash benefits." "While it is definitely not a driver of the deficit," the official added, "it does need to be strengthened." The response, sent via email to The Huffington Post, provides a measure of assurance to Democrats who were taken aback by the abrupt news, broken by the Washington Post, that Social Security reform was now on the debt-ceiling table. Still, the devil is in the details, and the idea of "strengthening" the entitlement program remains the vague standard for reform. Making Social Security means tested, for instance, could be pitched as a way to improve the program's solvency, even if doing so would drastically undermine its founding purpose, as some experts warn." Where does Obama say that? More ""s and less mystery summations, plz. Is there anyone out there that doesn't believe that it's actually the Republicans who want to cut those things and Obama is (supposedly) doing this as a compromise? Look, in the OP "in negotiations" is even underlined. You know, offering something you don't want to get something you do want? No, they're unhappy campers because of the bullshit. This is more blame Obama wahdom, where he's bad if he doesn't want to compromise, and when he does want to compromise, magically it's not the Republicans who want the cuts, but Obama himself, even though it says specifically he's doing it to negotiate and not because he wants it. Speaking of dealing, next time put things like "truthfulness" and "honesty" in your hand and discard the b.s. and "damned if you do..." card. Maybe take off your partisian glasses and see it as the Republicans holding the country hostage. Or keep riding the Obammmmmma Wahhhhhhhhhmbulance.
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Post by EVT1 on Jul 7, 2011 13:25:47 GMT -5
Is there anyone out there that doesn't believe that it's actually the Republicans who want to cut those things and Obama is (supposedly) doing this as a compromise? Republican voters. It's a big whambulance.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 7, 2011 15:06:27 GMT -5
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WQOW TV: Eau Claire, WI NEWS18 News, Weather, and SportsPelosi: Dems oppose Social Security, Medicare cuts
Pelosi: Dems oppose Social Security, Medicare cuts Posted: Jul 07, 2011 12:46 PM PDT Updated: Jul 07, 2011 12:46 PM PDT
WASHINGTON (AP) - The top House Democrat says she and fellow Democratic lawmakers will oppose including cuts in Social Security or Medicare benefits in any package aimed at reducing huge federal deficits.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi made the remark to reporters Thursday after returning to the Capitol from President Barack Obama's budget talks with congressional leaders. The leaders are looking for a compromise package that would extend the government's borrowing limit while also slicing trillions off future budget deficits.
Signals have emerged that the White House would consider culling savings from Social Security and Medicare. But Pelosi, a California Democrat, says Democrats believe those two programs should not be used to pay for tax breaks for the rich.
Republicans have opposed ending some tax loopholes for the wealthy.
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Post by zipity on Jul 7, 2011 16:52:47 GMT -5
Zipity don't forget what you and I might think is fraud and corruption in our Federal and State Government is deemed business as usual by Liberals
I was actually referring going after the fraud pumping up the cost of our healthcare system but the top headline in my local town paper today was that the school superintendent wouldn't be getting a raise this year. She would have to make do with her $195k salary, poor thing.
Why does the government need to hire any of these positions? How about contracting them out appropriately like the private insurance industry.
True, much better solution than hiring them but the point I was making was that someone was going to have to come up with money that isn't currently being spent to get the job done.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 7, 2011 17:31:49 GMT -5
was actually referring going after the fraud pumping up the cost of our health care system but the top headline in my local town paper today was that the school superintendent wouldn't be getting a raise this year. She would have to make do with her $195k salary, poor thing.
C'mon Zip whenever you have a large government program with megabucks being handed out you will have large examples of fraud and corruption. The larger the amounts of money the larger the amounts of crime and corruption ie Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Stimulus , and etc, and etc.. We just had several doctors out here lose their licenses for Medicaid fraud in Los Angeles CA. This is going on across the country and along with other crimes and nobody gives a dam in our government except to take care of their own turf and constituents so they can get re elected..
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Post by humok on Jul 7, 2011 19:21:18 GMT -5
right. Cut the educational system, Medicare and Medicaid but lets not cut the pay offs/pay outs to other countries first. Make our people suffer and not the foreign countries. That would be inhumane and not keep us in favor with the rest of the world.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 7, 2011 19:34:43 GMT -5
"50/50 chance a deal will get done in the next few days" .....Speaker Boehner
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 7, 2011 22:56:09 GMT -5
"50/50 chance a deal will get done in the next few days" .....Speaker Boehner the odds are way better than that. and the odds are that Democrats are going to hate it.
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