What did Obama obviously mean when he said this?

[henryclay]

A few liberals will want to read this, but not many. They are honest to themselves that Obama is doing his utmost to change the country to suit their visions. The problem with that is simple. The view of what Obama wants for the country, and by extention the liberals, is not shared far and wide. Rather, it is abhorent to most Americans. The liberals know this to be true, yet they continue to "hope" for the "change" that will bring it about.

Consequently only a few liberals will read this, and hopefully those few will be less liberal when they finish. But Obama read it. Obama not only read it, he presided over a formal ceremony in the White House with a family whose grief he said he and the country shared, along with great pride in the actions of their son, which had given rise to the ceremony in his honor.

More than that, it was the first such ceremony Obama ever presided over, only to have him announce to the world something akin to a fairy tale event, having forgotten the real one 21 short months later. Surely he has by now been reminded of the family's loss and will have made an apology to them.

Surely he has done that, , , , , , hasn't he?

Here is the reality of that event. Source: Wikipedia:

Medal of Honor action: On June 21, 2006, Monti served as the assistant leader of a 16-man patrol and leader of a weapons forward observer team tasked with gathering intelligence in Gowardesh, Nuristan Province, in northeastern Afghanistan. The team established a small base on a ridge to support a larger Army operation in the valley below. When the larger operation was delayed, Monti's team ran low on provisions. The helicopter that brought supplies revealed the team's position.

That evening, the patrol was attacked by a group of at least 60 insurgents, who had established two positions on a wooded ridge about 50-yards above the patrol and attempted to outflank Monti and his team. The Americans took cover and returned fire, and Monti radioed for artillery and close air support. Enemy fire killed Staff Sergeant Patrick Lybert. Another soldier, Specialist Brian J. Bradbury, was severely wounded and left lying in the open between the enemy and the team's position. Staff Sergeant Chris Cunningham, leader of the patrol's sniper team, called out that he was going to try to rescue Bradbury. Monti replied, "That’s my guy. I am going to get him."

Monti made three attempts to reach Bradbury. On his first, he advanced to within three feet of Bradbury before being forced back by intense machine-gun and rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) fire. His second try was similarly turned back and as the rest of his patrol provided covering fire, Monti advanced a third time but was struck by an RPG. Some news reports indicated that the explosion blew off both of his legs, but this is not supported by family accounts or military records. Monti attempted to crawl back towards cover. He is reported by comrades to have made his peace with God and asked Sgt. Cunningham to tell his parents he loved them. Monti died moments later. At about the same time, the artillery and air support for which he had called began hitting the enemy position, killing 22 of the attackers and dispersing the rest.

SPC Bradbury subsequently died during his evacuation when the cable on the rescue hoist lifting him to a 159th Medical Company (Air Ambulance) helicopter broke. The fall also killed Staff Sergeant Heathe Craig, 28, a medic from Severn, Maryland

Burial and Medal of Honor ceremony: Monti is buried in section 11, site 38 of the Massachusetts National Cemetery in Bourne, Massachusetts. The Army posthumously promoted him to sergeant first class.

On July 24, 2009 President Barack Obama signed the authorization for Monti to receive the Medal of Honor for this action. The medal was presented to the family by the President in a formal ceremony at the White House on September 17, 2009

[Shirina]

I clearly said in msg# 2 it was a "fake" story.

Okay, P.I. I see that you did say it was a false story. I somehow believed the "false" part was referring to something else.

[privateinvestor]

Jun 24, 2011 14:44:52 GMT -5 Shirina said:

I clearly said in msg# 2 it was a "fake" story.

Okay, P.I. I see that you did say it was a false story. I somehow believed the "false" part was referring to something else.

You never read my post (msg#2) and just added your biased spin again with a few others here. I thought you were better than that Shirina

[Shirina]

A few liberals will want to read this, but not many.

Thank you for the assumption, but can I have my neurons and synapses back, please? I like to be in control of my own thoughts and actions.

They are honest to themselves that Obama is doing his utmost to change the country to suit their visions.

And this, by you, is a surprise? Or did you expect a Democratic and ostensibly liberal president to change the country to suit the visions of conservative Republicans?

The view of what Obama wants for the country, and by extention the liberals, is not shared far and wide. Rather, it is abhorent to most Americans. The liberals know this to be true, yet they continue to "hope" for the "change" that will bring it about.

Well, history seems to disagree with you, here. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was, perhaps, the most liberal and progressive president America has ever had. He even wanted to put forward a second Bill of Rights that would guarantee every American a host of things including health care, jobs, and livable wages. Unfortunately, he died before it was ever put up for a vote.

He is responsible for many of the progressive policies conservatives hate such as minimum wages, social security, et. al.

Yet somehow, this man was elected an unprecedented FOUR times! Interesting how Americans, who ostensibly hate liberal views, elected the most liberal president in our history FOUR times.

Ironically, Roosevelt was called the very same names by the right-wingers that Obama is currently being called: socialist, communist, and all the rest of it. I'm sure the right-wingers then thought FDR's visions were abhorrent to "most Americans" but the vote doesn't seem to bear that out.

Obama is no FDR, that is for certain, but to claim that "most Americans" find liberalism "abhorrent" is just wishful thinking by conservatives who spend way too much time hanging around with other conservatives.

Consequently only a few liberals will read this, and hopefully those few will be less liberal when they finish.

What on God's green earth does Obama's mistake have to do with liberalism as an ideology? I can only imagine the tenuous and rickety bridge you will build to link the two. I await with bated breath.

[Shirina]

You never read my post (msg#2) and just added your biased spin again with a few others here. I thought you were better than that Shirina

I already told you that I was mistaken. If you expect more than that, you're barking up the wrong tree. I still question the motives behind digging up an old fake article in conjunction with this story.

But I have no idea what you expect me to do other than to say, yes, you did say it was false and I was mistaken into thinking you didn't. If you're looking for a shoe shine and a karma point because I was in error, think again.

[privateinvestor]

Jun 24, 2011 15:00:05 GMT -5 Shirina said:

You never read my post (msg#2) and just added your biased spin again with a few others here. I thought you were better than that Shirina

I already told you that I was mistaken. If you expect more than that, you're barking up the wrong tree. I still question the motives behind digging up an old fake article in conjunction with this story.

But I have no idea what you expect me to do other than to say, yes, you did say it was false and I was mistaken into thinking you didn't. If you're looking for a shoe shine and a karma point because I was in error, think again.

Score P.I......1 Shirina........0


"But this game ain't over till it's over..." Yogi Berra

[henryclay]

Obama's mistake

The best mistake Obama could make for the country would be to go to a golf course and just forget how to get back.

[Shirina]

Score P.I......1 Shirina........0

Actually, you haven't "won" anything, since I'm still waiting to figure out why you brought to light an old fake article in conjunction with the current thread topic.

While you may have disclosed the fact that the article was fake, I still think you were using it to discredit Obama - hence its existence on this thread in the first place.

Therefore, the main point, and the most important one, is still up in the air.

[marshabar1]

Jun 24, 2011 14:38:18 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jun 24, 2011 14:18:52 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

I think a big part of Oblunder's mistake problem is that he has a very tight group around him chosen not for expertise but for loyalty to him. This administration has been singularly free of leaks and there's a good reason for that. Nobody who isn't absolutely trusted gets close. The advise and prep he gets suffers because of his political paranoia.

I lived in Cook county (just outside Chicago) for almost 25 years and have seen plenty of Democratic machine politics locally. Now we get to enjoy it on a national level. To bad it wreaks havoc on actual leadership capability. Not to mention the possible irreparable harm to our foreign policy.

Exactly, it's like Chicago politics, it isn't about what you know, it's about who you know.

[privateinvestor]

Chicago Politics moved into the White House on 15 January 2009..

[diamonds]

Jun 24, 2011 16:01:30 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Chicago Politics moved into the White House on 15 January 2009..

Exactly P.I. being born and raised in Chicago. And it continues with Rahn Emanuel being elected Mayor there, as to me was the corruption continues as he was supposed to be living physically in the house he owned there for one year. Obviously, he didn't. or were his votes manipulated too?

[marshabar1]

Apparently he left personal effects in the house, Diamonds, and that was good enough to satisfy the requirement. Hya! ;D

[henryclay]

It's called "the politics of personal destruction", and was well taught by Bill Clinton and company, and has been practiced by Democrat on every personalty that opposes their views since.

In that vein I challenge any Democrat here to speak well of any front runner Republican that has not had their public, private, and family life viscerated by the liberals and Democrats since the mid 90's. As opposed to the ones hammered by the Republicans. Leave Obama. Pelosi and Reid out of the mix please.

[bubblyandblue]

Posting a fake artical and attempt to smear is an act of an idiot, or, it's just plain sleezy, smarmy, deceptive, un-trustworthy, dishonest etc.
I would expect, if the poster has any fundamental nobility, that he would come forward and take his pick regarding the label he would feel appropriate.

[henryclay]

Posting a fake artical and attempt to smear is an act of an idiot

Oh, I see. You mean like the Esquire release that said Corsi's book was pulled by the publishers.

It was satire, don't you remember?

Tell'em it was satire, P. I. Remind them that the guys who did it said it was satire.

And then ask'em how hard they came down on the poster here who put it up as being for real.

[privateinvestor]

[Posting a fake artical and attempt to smear is an act of an idiot, or, it's just plain sleezy, smarmy, deceptive, un-trustworthy, dishonest etc.
I would expect, if the poster has any fundamental nobility, that he would come forward and take his pick regarding the label he would feel appropriate.[/quote][/color]

How about being labeled a Democrat who doesn't support Obama...?? Or you can pick any one you want I think I have seen them all after nine years of posting about Politics

Also just like the New York Times story was a "Fake" on 04 July 2009 and was not so much an attempt to smear Obama but as I said that article did have a lot of finger pointing going on when it hit the streets of NYC (1 Million copies)

And of course the usual suspects were leakers or disgruntled employees in our government...

You might want to reread what I said in msg #2

How about this news headline on 04 July 2009; from undisclosed leaks to the New York Times???

Commander In Chief Misspeaks again about war in Iraq??? Or did he blame this false story on an anonymous leaker??? We seem to have a lot of those around Washington DC since 15 January 2009, a day that will live in infamy.....IMHO

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

In that vein I challenge any Democrat here to speak well of any front runner Republican that has not had their public, private, and family life viscerated by the liberals and Democrats since the mid 90's.

A "public, private, and family life" cannot be viscerated, and I can't remember the last Republican front runner that was viscerated, either (if ever). Reality beats childish hyperbole every time. Next!

[ugonow]

I lived in Cook county (just outside Chicago) for almost 25 years and have seen plenty of Democratic machine politics locally.

Lol...did you forget the last republican guv is still in jail? Or Hastert, darling of Plano,Il. was ran out of office for buying land in the boonies ,lobbying for fed funds to build expressways to it, then selling it for huge profits?

[privateinvestor]

Jun 24, 2011 16:54:17 GMT -5 ugonow said:

I lived in Cook county (just outside Chicago) for almost 25 years and have seen plenty of Democratic machine politics locally.

Lol...did you forget the last republican guv is still in jail? Or Hastert, darling of Plano,Il. was ran out of office for buying land in the boonies ,lobbying for fed funds to build expressways to it, then selling it for huge profits?

I completely forgot about Hastert but thanx for reminding us, I guess??

The last repub is congressman Cunningham I think but Rangel, Stark and Waters had tax issues that might have sent you or I to jail...but we are not protected by our government in Washington DC if we cheat on our taxes

[ugonow]

That stuff is not exclussive to one party or another.Issa is doing the same thing, lobbying for funding to improve infastructure by property he owns,. People like this, and Rangel is without a doubt one of them, irk me.It is blatent I have this comming to me feeling of entitlement with no shame or remorse.

[henryclay]

No, I haven't forgotten. And I also haven't gorgotten about Tax cheat Tim Geitner who now runs the treasury Department, or his Korean war hero turned tax cheat buddy Charlie Rangel who still helps write tax law, or Alcee Hastings, the disbarred federal hudge who was takling bribes from drug kingpions, who now holds down a seat in the House.

[privateinvestor]

Yea but Wiener took the #1 spot recently in Washington DC at our Nation's Capital Building....and another congressman from Florida is under investigation for sexual harassment ever hear of Alycee L. Hastings? Last time I checked he was a Dem

[ugonow]

To this day the only part of Joliet rd you can travel without wrecking your suspension or wheels is the part leading to White Fence Resturant, Hastarts. And Issa is following in his footstepe----"As Roll Call reported earlier this month, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) has a history of blending his personal business interests with his work as a member of Congress. Companies owned by the Issa family, including a firm called DEI (an acronym for Issa’s initials), set up websites to channel users to Issa’s official congressional campaign website. After Roll Call made an ethical inquiry to Issa, he changed the website.

ThinkProgress has discovered more troubling evidence that Issa may have blended his work as a lawmaker with his own business empire. After founding a successful car alarm company, Issa invested his fortune in a sprawling network of real estate companies with holdings throughout his district. One of Issa’s most valuable properties, a medical office building at 2067 West Vista Way in Vista, California, is called the Vista Medical Center, and was purchased in 2008 for $16.6 million. Described as “a long-term investment,” the property was bought by a company called Viper LLC, a business entity operated by Issa’s family that Issa has up to a $25 million dollar stake in.

Around the same time, Issa made the Vista Medical Center purchase, the congressman began requesting millions of dollars worth of earmarks to widen and improve the highway adjacent to the building. In 2008, he requested $2 million to expand West Vista Way, the road in front of his “long-term investment,” but only received $245,000 from the government. The next year, Issa made another earmark request for improving the West Vista Way highway next to his building. He earmarked another $570,000, bringing his total to $815,000, to add parking lots, widen the road, add bus stops, improve the sewer system, and other utility work. A map showing the location of Issa’s property, and the road, is below:




Issa has said that an “earmark is tantamount to a bribe.” While Issa has handed out earmarks to his campaign donors in the past, in this case, he appears to be helping himself.

Although the highway project has not begun yet (because of local budget problems), the federal money is allocated through Issa’s efforts. Already, a firm representing Issa’s real estate company is advertising the Vista Medical Building and its “Excellent Access with Freeway Visibility.” As ethics experts have explained, lawmakers should avoid earmarks in the immediate area of their own business interests.

Issa’s highway earmarks not only potentially benefit his multi-million dollar medical office building, they provide better access to his other properties in the area. About 2 miles down West Vista Way from the Vista Medical Center, Issa owns a commercial office building worth over $9 million, as well as an adjacent retail office building. The commercial office building leases to a number of different clients, and Issa’s retail building leases to a Hooter’s. All three properties are on the same highway, which Issa plans to retrofit with taxpayer money. "

[privateinvestor]

How many of the repubs you are posting have had to resign???

That should be the litmus test...I think??

[ugonow]

Why would that be a litmus test? Vitter got a standing ovation after apoligizing for paying for hookers to dress him in diapers?Is that indicative of anything?

[privateinvestor]

Jun 24, 2011 17:11:45 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Why would that be a litmus test?

How about this:


Do the crime and do the time....or violate House rules and you could be expelled or have more stringent rules and regulations for violators in Congress instead of just getting a slap on the wrist or swept under the rug by the Ethics Committees

[privateinvestor]

Jun 24, 2011 17:11:45 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Why would that be a litmus test? Vitter got a standing ovation after apologizing for paying for hookers to dress him in diapers?Is that indicative of anything?

Vitter confessed for his sins was forgiven by the voters in Louisiana and was re elected so deal with that one or blame the voters in Louisiana..

So I will raise you one Wiener for your Vitter..?? go for it..


BTW it is the rampant tax cheating going on in congress that is mind blowing and the IRS has to be giving these people special privileges...

[ugonow]

I'll go along with that.If you are just refering to Weiner,though,I was all for him stepping down.

[privateinvestor]

Checkout Pete Stark and Maxine Waters for their tax issues ...it may have you wondering how do they get away with that for so long

[ugonow]

Checkout Pete Stark and Maxine Waters for their tax issues ...it may have you wondering how do they get away with that for so long

I agree. Did it bother you when a presidential candidate had not paid his property taxes in 4 years? You are trying to get me to defend one while decrying another. Do you do that?