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Post by ed1066 on Jun 22, 2011 10:49:14 GMT -5
This article encapsulates very well the casual attitude of acceptance many on the left have for the rabid anti-Semitism of the Palestinian "cause". Besides the fact that a lot of lefties think it's "cool" to support the Hamas-led Palestinian "Third Intifada", it seems it is de rigueur in the "hip" tech world to support this genocidal campaign as well. This article discusses two issues around the irresponsibility of both Apple and Facebook allowing Third Intifada apps and pages, respectively, to be offered through their companies. The Israeli government was prompted to request these be removed from the companies sites due to the danger of inciting violence. I wonder if Facebook and Apple would carry a page or an app that called for violent protests against and the deaths of all blacks in America. Somehow, I doubt it... pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/06/22/israel-asks-steve-jobs-to-remove-third-intifada-app-from-ipads/ Israel’s Minister of Public Diplomacy and Diaspora Affairs Minister, Yuli Edelstein, has sent a letter to Apple CEO Steve Jobs requesting the removal of an iPad application, “The Third Intifada,” that includes the incitement of violent, indeed lethal, “protests” against Israel. The same group, the Arabic-language “Third Intifada,” ran afoul of Facebook’s rules and was banned in March, 2011 because it sought to cause deadly violence to Israelis.
According to a news story in today’s Al Arabiya,
“In a letter to Apple CEO Steve Jobs, Mr. Edelstein wrote: “I am convinced that you are aware of this type of application’s ability to unite many toward an objective that could be disastrous.”
” ‘ThirdIntifada’ offers users a stream of news stories and editorials in Arabic, announces upcoming protests, and includes links to nationalistic Palestinian videos and songs, according to Reuters…
“In May, United States attorney Larry Klayman sued Facebook and its co-founder Mark Zuckerberg for more than $1 billion over the “Third Palestinian Intifada” page, claiming the site had failed to remove the page quickly enough, Reuters reports.
“Meanwhile Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon spoke out and said the creation of the Apple application and the Facebook page outlines a new pattern in attempts to provoke attacks.
” ‘Companies like this that have a global reach also have a responsibility, and they are aware of this responsibility, and I am sure that Apple will act in the same way [as Facebook],’ Mr. Ayalon told Israel’s Army Radio.”
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 10:51:14 GMT -5
This article encapsulates very well the casual attitude of acceptance many on the left have for the rabid anti-Semites of the Palestinian "cause". Besides the fact that a lot of lefties think it's "cool" to support the Hamas-led Palestinian "Third Intifada", it seems it is de rigueur in the "hip" tech world to support this genocidal campaign as well.
Have to disagree with you on this one ed....most on the left don't really understand the complex and volatile conditions in Palestine with the Hamas and Fatah Party trying to form a government to rule over their people and then conduct peace talks with Netanyahu in six weeks..
Even Netanyahu said when he addressed the US Congress that Palestine is very complex and impossible to understand or even work with since Hamas is ruling behind the scenes..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 10:53:18 GMT -5
The most vocal on the left do seem to be leaning this direction. I wish the less radical on the left, and the entire right, would scream out loud, but well behaved people seldom scream out loud. This needs to change. If this country and this world continues to let radicals take over-- well, we get what we get.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 22, 2011 10:55:49 GMT -5
I interpret it as gaining control of the fourth estate - seems everywhere that bad occurs the head of state always makes an attempt to controll the media. It ususally ends badly
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 22, 2011 11:03:44 GMT -5
Palestine is not that complicated. There are Palestinian leaders who are well paid to continue stirring trouble with Israel. There are poor Palestinians who are used as cat's paws and cannon fodder. There are wealthy Arabs who want Israel's destruction. The Palestinian people are NOT FREE. And it isn't the Israelis who enslave them. It is their own people. To understand the Palestinian issue all you have to understand is that Arabs want Israel destroyed. That is the only thing you need to understand and everything else suddenly makes sense.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 22, 2011 11:06:56 GMT -5
Palestine is not that complicated. There are Palestinian leaders who are well paid to continue stirring trouble with Israel. There are poor Palestinians who are used as cat's paws and cannon fodder. There are wealthy Arabs who want Israel's destruction. The Palestinian people are NOT FREE. And it isn't the Israelis who enslave them. It is their own people. To understand the Palestinian issue all you have to understand is that Arabs want Israel destroyed. That is the only thing you need to understand and everything else suddenly makes sense. "Palestine is not that complicated." Huh...Well finally, a simple way to understand all this Marsha, thanks for that clarification of...simple way to think of this problem..
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 22, 2011 11:22:23 GMT -5
Laugh all you want. It's the truth. Negotiating with Palestine is about as meaningful as spitting in the ocean.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 22, 2011 11:23:15 GMT -5
Laugh all you want. It's the truth. Negotiating with Palestine is about as meaningful as spitting in the ocean.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 22, 2011 11:28:06 GMT -5
Any idea of why is the security fence only on the Palestinian side of the "67 " borders , never to speak of , on the Israeli side of the "67 " borders?[Taking about 15 % of the land , small land area in the first place, of possible Palestinian State, if they ever get around to having one].
Apartments going up in East Jerusalem, so it becomes defacto Israeli territory, so it can't be given up as a "I give you this you give me that ", when they get down to actually negotiate borders, it is already defacto Israeli territory so how can one negotiate that, offer something that is already the others territory?
Surrounding all Palestinian towns and areas with Israeli settlements so there is no way to have a continuouse State, if they ever get to that, because the Palestinian state, areas of, if ever came about, will be surrounded by Israeli settlements, with their own roads exclusive use to only Israeli's, road blocks up to pass through to get from A to B at the whim of the other side[Israeli's], ...the Jordan river border to be the exclusive territory of the Israeli military....and on and on..
There are security concerns of the Israeli's granted , have to be considered, and then there is "In the face "reasons, just because "we can", that really have nothing to do with security concerns , unless you feel a State should be under a 100 % over sight at all times by another , and that to most , seems more like a defacto occupation of another's territory, not living in peace with a neighbor who has signed a peace treaty and who wants to develop their own State under their own ways and rules ..
A "Simple Solution" of, I don't think any of this is simple...wish it was but there your wrong..unless you believe it's simple because " You do it my way or else"...if so, ok, then it is a simple solution.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 13:19:39 GMT -5
Laugh all you want. It's the truth. Negotiating with Palestine is about as meaningful as spitting in the ocean. Negotiate?? Israel cannot even stand to be in the same room as the Palestinians... If they ever do come to the table to discuss peace between Palestine and Israel it will be called "The Miracle In the Middle East"..... I doubt that Netanyahu wants to talk to the Palestinians as long as Hamas is hovering in the background and controlling the Palestinians agenda.. but we shall see I guess??
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 22, 2011 13:26:28 GMT -5
I loved the comment, "Jihad? There's an app for that!"
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 22, 2011 13:43:07 GMT -5
Laugh all you want. It's the truth. Negotiating with Palestine is about as meaningful as spitting in the ocean. Negotiate?? Israel cannot even stand to be in the same room as the Palestinians... If they ever do come to the table to discuss peace between Palestine and Israel it will be called "The Miracle In the Middle East"..... I doubt that Netanyahu wants to talk to the Palestinians as long as Hamas is hovering in the background and controlling the Palestinians agenda.. but we shall see I guess?? To dismiss them outright , you cannot, not if one is really interested in coming to some type of agreement between the two parties, but that does not mean you don't keep up your guard and have go along with their stated views. However, if you don't think they have dialog with them , I beleive you would be mistaken, either directly or through other parties , there are contacts and communication going on, and if that way, through third parties, guaranteed there are representatives at the ear of the ones speaking for them, and I am sure there are direct contacts between necessary parties of both sides. If there are elections in October, and there still may be, and Hamas does win and Fatah takes a side as a loyal opposition political party, then there will have to be some type of dialog between the two parties, even if the one speaking for them is acceptable to the Israeli's , and if not , because of the connection with Hamas, then that will be a interesting scenario. Two parties with no contact with each other but their everyday dealings with each other, and guarantee , there are dealings between these two sides daily in some way now, being conducted through a third party, a real cluster F in my estimation.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 14:34:30 GMT -5
Hey ed ..............FYI and this is where I am coming from with serious doubt about any peace talks with the Palestinians and Israel despite the BS Obama is spewing about this issue with Netanyahu.. Herzog: “U.S. Does Not Even Want To Hear Netanyahu’s Name” Friday June 17, 2011 10:31 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies Labor Party member of Knesset, Yitzhak Herzog, stated that he recently met with a number of American government officials close to president Barack Obama. They allegedly told him that they are angry with Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, due to his rejection to resume peace talks with the Palestinians. Netanyahu and Obama - File - Image Arabs48 On Thursday, Herzog told Israeli paper, Yedioth Aharonoth, that he is worried about what he called “the declining relations between Israel and the United States”, and added that the current situation is that “U.S. officials do not even want to hear the name of Netanyahu”. Officials are apparently talking about Netanyahu “in a hostile manner”. He added that the officials told him that, following his visit to Washington last month, Netanyahu left “a burnt land” behind him. Further, it was suggested that his speech in Washington 'disregarded facts' and insulted Obama and his advisers. Following his May 20 speech in Washington, Obama called on Israel and the Palestinians to resume peace talks based on Israel’s withdrawal to the borders that existed before the June 4, 1967 war, with land swaps in certain areas. But Netanyahu told Obama that he will not negotiate on such a basis, and that Israel will keep large areas in the occupied West Bank, specifically Jerusalem and the Jordan valley, under Israeli control at all times. Herzog said that the way Netanyahu is acting, and the way he is trying to gather international support to foil the declaration of a Palestinian state at the UN, is an indication of a “defeated leader”. He added that this attitude will not serve Israeli interests. Herzog stated that the Israeli government must recognize a Palestinian state, and added that talks on border and other main issues should start now. The leader of the Israeli opposition, Tzipi Livni, strongly criticized Netanyahu during his Thursday speech at the Knesset, and held him responsible for the failure in reaching a peace agreement with the Palestinians. “Netanyahu is dragging Israel into a deep ditch”, Livni said, “His government became a front that rejects all proposed initiatives”. During his Knesset speech on Thursday, Netanyahu reiterated his demands that the Palestinians must first recognize Israel as a Jewish State, and claimed, “the conflict is still ongoing due to the Palestinian rejection to do so”. He also said Palestinian refugees living in exile should be settled abroad and should not be allowed into their homeland. Netanyahu also claimed that Jerusalem should always be the united capital of Israel, settlement blocs must remain part of Israel, and that the future Palestinian “state” must be a demilitarized entity. israel | israeli politics | news report www.imemc.org/article/61472
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 14:40:11 GMT -5
Have to disagree with you on this one ed....most on the left don't really understand the complex and volatile conditions in Palestine with the Hamas and Fatah Party trying to form a government to rule over their people and then conduct peace talks with Netanyahu in six weeks..P.I. I have never seen the left back away from either hating or supporting something simply because they don't understand it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 14:41:08 GMT -5
Have to disagree with you on this one ed....most on the left don't really understand the complex and volatile conditions in Palestine with the Hamas and Fatah Party trying to form a government to rule over their people and then conduct peace talks with Netanyahu in six weeks..P.I. I have never seen the left back away from either hating or supporting something simply because they don't understand it.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 14:42:20 GMT -5
P.I. I have never seen the left back away from either hating or supporting something simply because they don't understand it.
Netanyahu could give a hoot about the left or what they think about his not wanting to negoitate with the Palestinians...
Netanyahu has outlined the conditions for negotiations and so far the Palestinians have rejected them....
The only hope would be if Hillary takes over for George Mitchell who just quit and tries to bring them to the table....but she has said this a complex issues that both sides have to resolve..
My experience is some familiarity with the IDF a long time ago...and just don't see how any peace talks will do much for the bitterness and hatred between Israel and the Palestinians...
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 22, 2011 14:45:07 GMT -5
I loved the comment, "Jihad? There's an app for that!" yes its called an IED
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 22, 2011 14:47:02 GMT -5
Hey ed ..............FYI and this is where I am coming from with serious doubt about any peace talks with the Palestinians and Israel despite the BS Obama is spewing about this issue with Netanyahu.. Herzog: “U.S. Does Not Even Want To Hear Netanyahu’s Name” Friday June 17, 2011 10:31 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies Labor Party member of Knesset, Yitzhak Herzog, stated that he recently met with a number of American government officials close to president Barack Obama. They allegedly told him that they are angry with Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, due to his rejection to resume peace talks with the Palestinians. Netanyahu and Obama - File - Image Arabs48 On Thursday, Herzog told Israeli paper, Yedioth Aharonoth, that he is worried about what he called “the declining relations between Israel and the United States”, and added that the current situation is that “U.S. officials do not even want to hear the name of Netanyahu”. Officials are apparently talking about Netanyahu “in a hostile manner”. He added that the officials told him that, following his visit to Washington last month, Netanyahu left “a burnt land” behind him. Further, it was suggested that his speech in Washington 'disregarded facts' and insulted Obama and his advisers. Following his May 20 speech in Washington, Obama called on Israel and the Palestinians to resume peace talks based on Israel’s withdrawal to the borders that existed before the June 4, 1967 war, with land swaps in certain areas. But Netanyahu told Obama that he will not negotiate on such a basis, and that Israel will keep large areas in the occupied West Bank, specifically Jerusalem and the Jordan valley, under Israeli control at all times. Herzog said that the way Netanyahu is acting, and the way he is trying to gather international support to foil the declaration of a Palestinian state at the UN, is an indication of a “defeated leader”. He added that this attitude will not serve Israeli interests. Herzog stated that the Israeli government must recognize a Palestinian state, and added that talks on border and other main issues should start now. The leader of the Israeli opposition, Tzipi Livni, strongly criticized Netanyahu during his Thursday speech at the Knesset, and held him responsible for the failure in reaching a peace agreement with the Palestinians. “Netanyahu is dragging Israel into a deep ditch”, Livni said, “His government became a front that rejects all proposed initiatives”. During his Knesset speech on Thursday, Netanyahu reiterated his demands that the Palestinians must first recognize Israel as a Jewish State, and claimed, “the conflict is still ongoing due to the Palestinian rejection to do so”. He also said Palestinian refugees living in exile should be settled abroad and should not be allowed into their homeland. Netanyahu also claimed that Jerusalem should always be the united capital of Israel, settlement blocs must remain part of Israel, and that the future Palestinian “state” must be a demilitarized entity. israel | israeli politics | news report www.imemc.org/article/61472That effing regime of idiots is playing politics with Israel's life.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 14:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 14:50:32 GMT -5
I think this says it all are far as I know:
During his Knesset speech on Thursday, Netanyahu reiterated his demands that the Palestinians must first recognize Israel as a Jewish State, and claimed, “the conflict is still ongoing due to the Palestinian rejection to do so”. He also said Palestinian refugees living in exile should be settled abroad and should not be allowed into their homeland.
Netanyahu also claimed that Jerusalem should always be the united capital of Israel, settlement blocs must remain part of Israel, and that the future Palestinian “state” must be a demilitarized entity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 14:51:22 GMT -5
Let's shrink it down to something easier to understand.. if someone wants to kill you, what do you do? If you have tried and tried to talk it out and they still want to kill you, do you then put down your arms and surrender? NO ONE does that if they have a healthy mind. What you do is buy a big gun, mean dogs, fortify your home, watch your back at all times. You fight, or you die. If you guys want to cry over the QUESTIONABLY "poor Palestinians", why don't you go after the Arabs that enslave them? Go after Hamas? There was the thread last week that showed them living pretty well, but if you really think they are the "poor Palestinians", go after the people using them for their own ends?? Israel is busy defending herself. As it should be.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 14:53:46 GMT -5
I loved the comment, "Jihad? There's an app for that!" yes its called an IED The PLO will never lay down their arms or want to live in peace with Israel as long as the Hamas is controlling their lives.... And Iran is operating behind the scene
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 22, 2011 21:09:25 GMT -5
There is a lot of cheerleading going on for Israel in this thread. Which is fine, many supported the South Africans, too, when the minority white controlled the majority blacks there. Jimmy Carter called Israel an apartheid state. He was spot on.
I do not believe that in the modern age an apartheid state can rule forever. As long as America can protect Israel, it will survive in oppressing Palestinians. But like the British Empire, the American Empire will also decline at some point. It's just the way history works.
The new powers - China and India - are not exactly warm to Israel.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 22, 2011 21:10:12 GMT -5
Incidentally, neither China nor India even recognized Israel a a country till the early 1990s.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 21:12:39 GMT -5
Jimmy Carter called Israel an apartheid state. He was spot on.
Didn't Jimmy backtrack on that comment when he was interviewed by Larry King...and Jimmy has been known to put his left foot in his mouth once or twice recently.....He blamed Teddy Kennedy for his defeat to Ronald Reagan in 1980...
He also blamed the Pentagon for the fiasco when they attempted to rescue our hostages in Tehran that was unsuccessful.....however Jimmy forgot to mention it took him 13 months to give the Pentagon the OK to try to get our hostages out of the prison in Tehran...he had a problem with analysis paralysis...according to the military planners for that rescue attempt..
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 22, 2011 21:24:41 GMT -5
Seems like the apartness in South Africa was a good idea since togetherness has resulted in Winnie's necklaces, the singing of a national anthem that includes the words "kill the Boor," the rape and slaughter of white farmers, the destruction of infrastructure and increased poverty for everyone. www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18303Oh for the good old days before the American liberals interfered.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 22, 2011 23:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 23, 2011 0:00:39 GMT -5
Jimmy Carter called Israel an apartheid state. He was spot on.Didn't Jimmy backtrack on that comment when he was interviewed by Larry King...and Jimmy has been known to put his left foot in his mouth once or twice recently.....He blamed Teddy Kennedy for his defeat to Ronald Reagan in 1980... He also blamed the Pentagon for the fiasco when they attempted to rescue our hostages in Tehran that was unsuccessful.....however Jimmy forgot to mention it took him 13 months to give the Pentagon the OK to try to get our hostages out of the prison in Tehran...he had a problem with analysis paralysis...according to the military planners for that rescue attempt.. If you disagree that Israel is an apartheid state, I would like to hear your arguments. If like Marsha you think that apartheid is the best thing since sliced bread, then there is nothing to discuss.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 23, 2011 1:20:28 GMT -5
I think you meant "kill the Boer"; however, since it's not in the South African national anthem anyway, the point is probably moot.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 23, 2011 7:16:03 GMT -5
If you disagree that Israel is an apartheid state, I would like to hear your arguments. If like Marsha you think that apartheid is the best thing since sliced bread, then there is nothing to discuss
You said Jimmy Carter called Israel an apartheid state and after the uproar over that remark; he backtracked, I think???...
So I take exception to Jimmy Carter's comments and I have been taking exception to Jimmy Carter since 1977 when he became our Commander in Chief and made our life miserable in the Defense Dept.
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