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Post by ugonow on Jun 21, 2011 15:36:54 GMT -5
Possibly,but I bet politicians publicly stating their dislike for muslims and public koran burnings are more effective.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 21, 2011 15:37:56 GMT -5
The GOP needs a RINOectomy.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 21, 2011 15:38:27 GMT -5
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 21, 2011 15:41:03 GMT -5
The GOP needs a RINOectomy. Gonna K you for that one. Is that the operation where a pub nose is removed from a crat butt?
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Post by magichat on Jun 21, 2011 15:43:13 GMT -5
Republicans were born from the Whig party when they decided that slavery was a big enough issue to violate the constitution (calous yes, I don't care). Exactly what point do you want the Republicans to return to, they have always been a party that they are.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 21, 2011 16:01:58 GMT -5
Oh see now I guess I'm wrong. Sounding like Rodney King can make friends for Huntsman. Fellow Mormon Reid bashes Romney, favors HuntsmanFrom NBC's Shawna Thomas and Carrie Dann It might have come with a favorable comparison to one of his main rivals, but here’s an endorsement that former Gov. Jon Huntsman probably won’t be touting on his website anyway. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, reviled by conservatives for ushering Democratic legislation through Congress during Obama’s first two years in office, told reporters Tuesday that he’d pick Huntsman over GOP rival and fellow Mormon Mitt Romney. “If I had a choice, I would favor Huntsman over Romney,” said Reid, who like Romney and Huntsman belongs to the Church of Latter-Day Saints. The Senate leader proceeded to take a broad swipe at the former Massachusetts governor, whom he described as a “a man who doesn't know who he is.” Reid noted Romney’s policy switches on social issues and said that the health care bill that Democrats passed in the Senate was largely based on the one Romney signed into state law in 2006. “We modeled our bill ... to a large degree about what he did in Massachusetts,” Reid said. “Now he's trying to run from that.” “If someone doesn't know who they are, they shouldn’t be president of the United States.” firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/21/6909744-fellow-mormon-reid-bashes-romney-favors-huntsman
Now see, there's an endorsement for you!! ;D If he's okay with Reid he's gotta be okay!
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Post by ugonow on Jun 21, 2011 16:05:51 GMT -5
Reid ain't nothing.America is waiting for Sarah to tell us who to vote for.
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Post by magichat on Jun 22, 2011 7:29:43 GMT -5
Apparently many want the Republicans to stop being RINOs and go back to "their old ways" but nobody can actually dictate what that is...odd.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 22, 2011 7:45:24 GMT -5
Don't you think terrorists are using our hatred for muslims to recruit ? "We" don't hate muslims.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 22, 2011 7:47:12 GMT -5
Jon Huntsman Just Wants to be NiceThen his chances of winning the Republican Presidential Nominee are (1) Slim and (2) None...IMHO Nice guys always finish last as you know Marsha, and I am a good example to that ...
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 22, 2011 7:48:11 GMT -5
Apparently many want the Republicans to stop being RINOs and go back to "their old ways" but nobody can actually dictate what that is...odd. Republicans need to go back to their (ETA: fiscally) conservative roots.
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Post by magichat on Jun 22, 2011 9:44:01 GMT -5
Apparently many want the Republicans to stop being RINOs and go back to "their old ways" but nobody can actually dictate what that is...odd. Republicans need to go back to their (ETA: fiscally) conservative roots. So as long as they are fiscally conservative it's okay that they violate the constitution like they did at the birth of the party. It is rather convoluted in my knowledge whether republicans were actually fiscally conservative as both parties from the Civil War until WWI seemed to run mostly surpluses and paid off debt from the civil war.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 22, 2011 9:53:29 GMT -5
So as long as they are fiscally conservative it's okay that they violate the constitution like they did at the birth of the party. Where the F... did I even remotely suggest that? Some of you people can twist words to the point of absurdity.
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Post by magichat on Jun 22, 2011 10:08:47 GMT -5
So as long as they are fiscally conservative it's okay that they violate the constitution like they did at the birth of the party. Where the F... did I even remotely suggest that? Some of you people can twist words to the point of absurdity. The republican party's origins are all about violating the constitution, where was I not clear about that?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 22, 2011 10:14:39 GMT -5
Was that the same Reagan who armed Osama and made him the man he is today? he dedicated one of the Space Shuttles to Afghanistan and their "Freedom Fighters". the real mistake there is not working with the Soviets to secure Afghanistan after the withdrawl, which plummeted it into a fundamentalist chaos. that was under the advice of Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, who are responsible for us becoming embroiled the second time, as well. we didn't care about Islamic Jiihad back then. we cared about the USSR- the "great evil" of the day. ain't it funny how things change?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 22, 2011 10:17:38 GMT -5
Oh see now I guess I'm wrong. Sounding like Rodney King can make friends for Huntsman. Fellow Mormon Reid bashes Romney, favors HuntsmanFrom NBC's Shawna Thomas and Carrie Dann It might have come with a favorable comparison to one of his main rivals, but here’s an endorsement that former Gov. Jon Huntsman probably won’t be touting on his website anyway. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, reviled by conservatives for ushering Democratic legislation through Congress during Obama’s first two years in office, told reporters Tuesday that he’d pick Huntsman over GOP rival and fellow Mormon Mitt Romney. “If I had a choice, I would favor Huntsman over Romney,” said Reid, who like Romney and Huntsman belongs to the Church of Latter-Day Saints. The Senate leader proceeded to take a broad swipe at the former Massachusetts governor, whom he described as a “a man who doesn't know who he is.” Reid noted Romney’s policy switches on social issues and said that the health care bill that Democrats passed in the Senate was largely based on the one Romney signed into state law in 2006. “We modeled our bill ... to a large degree about what he did in Massachusetts,” Reid said. “Now he's trying to run from that.” “If someone doesn't know who they are, they shouldn’t be president of the United States.” firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/21/6909744-fellow-mormon-reid-bashes-romney-favors-huntsman
Now see, there's an endorsement for you!! ;D If he's okay with Reid he's gotta be okay! 22% of all Americans say they "won't vote for a Mormon". this softened a bit in 2008 when Romney ran, and i suspect it will again. still, it is a pretty sizeable handicap.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 22, 2011 10:17:46 GMT -5
Jon Huntsman Just Wants to be NiceThen his chances of winning the Republican Presidential Nominee are (1) Slim and (2) None...IMHO Nice guys always finish last as you know Marsha, and I am a good example to that ... LOL, right. . . Won a K anyway.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 22, 2011 10:18:51 GMT -5
Orrin Hatch said his religion ruined his chances at the national level.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 22, 2011 10:21:44 GMT -5
Orrin Hatch said his religion ruined his chances at the national level. it is surprising when this sort of thing is publicly acknowledged, but it is tacitly fairly well understood.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 22, 2011 10:29:41 GMT -5
The republican party's origins are all about violating the constitution, where was I not clear about that? Of course...you clearly twisted my words to the point of implying I supported violating the constitution. Have fun playing with your false conclusions an pointless, twisted propaganda. Get back to me if you wish to have an adult conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2011 10:33:13 GMT -5
Interesting website you sent me on Hatch, etc, Marsha. I think if anyone set their mind to it any religion could be picked to pieces and made to look really bad, don't you? I still think I prefer a religious person, as long as he/she is consistent. Guess I should look in to Huntsman and see if his politics match his values. Weird that I would expect more from a religious person than a non-religious person, but I do. Who people hang with in their private lives matters. Look at Obama-- he hung with Ayers, Wright, etc.. and he has proven to be faithful to those kind of people-- which is why I didn't want him.. and which is why I expect a religious person to stay true to their beliefs in public. If they don't, like Obama when he threw his pals under the bus-- well, you see what we get. A closet case radical like Obama...who DID stay true to his pals, after all. Integrity matters to me. That doesn't make much sense, but I know what I mean, just can't explain it well.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 22, 2011 11:53:21 GMT -5
Huntsman has a strong pro-life record, he doesn't seem to have been a bad governor. I think he has a firm grasp of foreign policy. Mormon doesn't bother me. All of that said- I can't seem to figure out what he brings to the table? I don't fault him for the "civility" ploy-- it's a crowded fied. He's trying to distinguish himself. I watched an interview with him on Hannity last night. Seems like he'd make a good President. I get that he is squeamish about calling himself a conservative because he believes in this great unwashed 20% that he thinks want to avoid labels and conflict at all cost. I think he's wrong about that- but that's political strategy. On policy, he's a conservative. He may not want to say so, but he is. And that's good enough for me.
He rejected cap and trade- flip flop though it was, I can't see how Romney has back tracked on ObamneyCare, or cap and trade, so...
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Post by magichat on Jun 22, 2011 11:56:04 GMT -5
The republican party's origins are all about violating the constitution, where was I not clear about that? Of course...you clearly twisted my words to the point of implying I supported violating the constitution. Have fun playing with your false conclusions an pointless, twisted propaganda. Get back to me if you wish to have an adult conversation. You want to cry and take your ball and go home, whatever dude. I deplore both parties and there constitutional trashing. If you think I implied anything then for that I am sorry.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 22, 2011 11:58:39 GMT -5
Republicans were born from the Whig party when they decided that slavery was a big enough issue to violate the constitution (calous yes, I don't care). Exactly what point do you want the Republicans to return to, they have always been a party that they are. I have always been dismayed by the effectiveness of the Democratic Party re-write of their history on slavery, and race relations. It has been one of the most successful whitewash and slander operations in human history.
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Post by magichat on Jun 22, 2011 11:59:36 GMT -5
Was that the same Reagan who armed Osama and made him the man he is today? he dedicated one of the Space Shuttles to Afghanistan and their "Freedom Fighters". the real mistake there is not working with the Soviets to secure Afghanistan after the withdrawl, which plummeted it into a fundamentalist chaos. that was under the advice of Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, who are responsible for us becoming embroiled the second time, as well. we didn't care about Islamic Jiihad back then. we cared about the USSR- the "great evil" of the day. ain't it funny how things change? Or maybe, just maybe we keep our noses out of other countries business and see how that works out for us. There is a wonderful proven track record called history that shows the unintended consequences of meddling with other countries.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 22, 2011 12:32:58 GMT -5
You want to cry and take your ball and go home, whatever dude. I'm not crying...I'm just denying you the satisfaction of a successful troll. So as long as they are fiscally conservative it's okay that they violate the constitution like they did at the birth of the party. You asked about the "old ways", I answered it and you somehow come up with this convoluted bullshit conclusion. Troll failed. For that you should be sorry.
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Post by magichat on Jun 22, 2011 12:45:06 GMT -5
Personal attacks, I'm a bit surprised FY, I wouldnt' expect it from you.
So the question I really want an answer to is when were the republicans fiscally conservative?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 22, 2011 14:23:16 GMT -5
Personal attacks, I'm a bit surprised FY, I wouldnt' expect it from you. No personal attack. I'm calling you conclusion asinine, not you. I call it as I see it....nothing personal. I know you're smarter than this. I'm actually surprised you'd stoop to this level. It's a shame, but you'd have to go back 50+ years to find any fiscally conservative repubs. I'd say probably back to the days of Ike. For dems, I'd say JFK was pretty fiscally conservative.
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Post by magichat on Jun 22, 2011 14:28:10 GMT -5
I don't think 50 years is far enough, under Ike the debt only grew 20 Billion.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jun 22, 2011 14:40:17 GMT -5
Huntsman wanted to be compared to Reagan. Some folks want to blame Reagan for Bin Laden and Sadam Hussein. Like the Obama admin wants to blame George Bush for everything that's wrong. It's a dirty world and the players on the world stage can be extremely unsavory. Presidents have to deal with the realities of the world as it exists during their tenure in office. Do they get dirty? Yes. Really? Then why do the righties try to blame Clinton for 9 11 even though Bush was president when it happened? Why did the righties try to credit Bush for the killing of bin Laden even though Obama was president when it happened? You cant have it both ways.
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